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  •  I assume typo, you meant 400 (5+ / 0-)

    He got 365 last time without Arizona!

    I would say it's more than "gravy," though.  It's only gravy for him, yes, but it's party-building and establishing a foundation for Democrats downballot and in Presidential elections from 2016 onward.

    43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

    by DCCyclone on Wed May 04, 2011 at 11:40:17 AM PDT

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    •  Hah (5+ / 0-)

      Man, sometimes I forget just how huge Obama's win was in the EC.

      Political Director, Daily Kos

      by David Nir on Wed May 04, 2011 at 11:41:53 AM PDT

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    •  I just hope he isnt an Eisenhower (3+ / 0-)
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      Eisenhower won over 450 electoral votes in 1956, yet his party lost ground in Congress and state legislatures and really did nothing to build the party.  The same thing happened with Clinton in 1996 and Nixon in 1972.  

      I want him to have a Truman 1948 or Johnson 1964 style victory that lifts the whole Democratic party.  

      •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        These points really drive home the fact that incumbent presidents hardly ever have the same coattail effect that they had during their first election.

        21, Conservative Gay Democrat, TX-23 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

        by wwmiv on Wed May 04, 2011 at 12:25:29 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe people tend to let down (0+ / 0-)

          in local races when they have an incumbent president at the top of the ticket.  Hopefully, with the sour experiences of Walker, Scott, Kasich, etc. that won't be the case in 2012.  We have seen the vast amount of damage that Republicans in state offices can do.

          "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

          by ahumbleopinion on Wed May 04, 2011 at 02:03:05 PM PDT

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          •  Also (0+ / 0-)

            Some presidents win big because they win over swing voters instead of turning out large numbers of voters in their party. In 2006, Ed Rendell won PA-6 by more than 30 points but it was not because Rendell turned out all the Democrats there, he was very popular with the independents who lived there. At the same time, Jim Gerleach (R) won reelection in PA-6. In 2008 though, Obama excited the Democratic base which caused the Democratic voters to turnout and vote Democratic for downballot offices.

      •  Well if his campaign meets the $1B goal (2+ / 0-)
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        or even near to that, I hope a whole bunch of it will be invested in: party building / ground game / GOTV / what have you.
        Not to mention the even vaster mountains of third party money now allowed in elections.

        Also, it's vitally important to keep control of the Senate. Since AZ will be competitive, I hope Obama spends time and resources there which will help our candidate (Gabby maybe?) even if he falls short himself.

      •  LBJ isn't a fair comparison (0+ / 0-)

        as his was more of an election than a re-election, same with truman as neither were elected to begin with.  

    •  It's amazing how close he came in AZ (2+ / 0-)
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      TofG, shantysue

      Running against a native son last time around.

      Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone:

      by DemSign on Thu May 05, 2011 at 05:56:58 PM PDT

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