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  •  That's reasonable for ballots that are present (21+ / 0-)

    though I'd still like to see clear standards for how and when that decision could be reached.  

    But with crappy chain of custody on bags, part of the issue becomes ballots that may have been in there which aren't any more.  Or when whole bags go missing.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:49:37 PM PDT

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    •  Those are questions (3+ / 0-)
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      DollyMadison, Lujane, VClib

      but questions don't get ballots thrown out.  

      You have to have evidence -- proof -- that a ballot is a forgery for you to get that ballot thrown out.  

      •  Proof? (2+ / 0-)
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        But people who are open to unsupported theories don't need proof. All they need is their suspicions. Some people here at DK continue to prove that to us repeatedly. They assumed that there must be something amiss with the birds dying in Arkansas, rather than there being a simple explanation that the weather or fireworks causing it. There must have been vote fraud in Memphis this past summer, rather than it being Bev Harris trying to bring attention to herself once again. There must have been racism involved in the woman convicted of felony document tampering since she was black - it couldn't have just been that she was the only parent who behaved as she behaved - the color of her skin had to have affected the punishment only she suffered.

        On this topic, though, this group recounting the ballots aren't tasked with deciding if ballots like this will be rejected or not - they're simply tasked with counting them.

    •  "when whole bags go missing" (13+ / 0-)

      I pointed out somewhere else that in the Franken/Coleman recount, a whole bag went missing. The state canvass board unanimously voted to use the original count for that bag. (Advantage: Franken.) Evidently they construed the original count as presumptively reliable -- and they had other evidence of how many people had voted. Under other circumstances, presumably they would have acted differently.

      Obviously we want good chain of custody, so that these excruciating decisions aren't necessary.

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