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  •  That's exactly what you're watching. (3+ / 0-)
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    And as it happens, you have people even on our side saying, "but it's more important that MY individual vote gets counted," ignoring the fact that if the bags aren't sealed, you don't know whether your ballot is even IN that bag any longer.

    That's why these bags are sealed.

    If I go to a container of medical supplies, and the seal is broken, I THROW THEM OUT. I don't use them anyway for fear of somehow wasting good supplies.

    Because integrity matters.

    grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

    by khereva on Thu May 05, 2011 at 06:11:45 PM PDT

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      And as it happens, you have people even on our side saying, "but it's more important that MY individual vote gets counted,"

      Umm, no. Very few people here have individual votes at stake.

      Do you seriously not think that possibly throwing out thousands of legitimate votes raises any integrity concerns whatsoever? Really?

      •  Umm, yes. (1+ / 0-)
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        That's exactly what coffeetalk has repeatedly claimed.

        And when the vote integrity has been irrevocably compromised, that's what you have to do.

        grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

        by khereva on Thu May 05, 2011 at 07:53:39 PM PDT

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        •  We don't know if the vote integrity is compromised (0+ / 0-)

          yet. I am sure this was already addressed, but are these bags the same ones used in other counties?

        •  ?! (0+ / 0-)

          coffeetalk has repeatedly claimed that it's more important that his or her individual vote be counted? Show me.

          I'll say again: the Minnesota state canvass board voted unanimously to count votes from a ballot bag that couldn't be found at all, and I think it was an eminently reasonable decision. One should consider all the evidence, not just a rhetorical standard of "irrevocable compromise." You're welcome to disagree, but I think my position is consistent with Wisconsin law.

          •  Go look. (0+ / 0-)

            There are abundant comments in this diary repeatedly asking 'but what about MY vote?'

            Voting unanimously to count votes from a bag they couldn't find? Are you kidding me?

            grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

            by khereva on Fri May 06, 2011 at 04:17:19 PM PDT

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            •  pshaw (0+ / 0-)

              Reread the whole thing in context. coffeetalk a few times referred to "my vote" rhetorically, perhaps because abstract "voters" didn't seem to be getting much traction. The argument was consistent throughout. Here is coffeetalk's first comment in the thread (at least from the top):

              As long as it looks like a voter somewhere cast that ballot -- that voter has an absolute right to have his or her ballot counted, regardless of how inept or incompetent those handling the ballot are.

              "Absolute" is not a good word there, but the point is that one should avoid throwing out valid votes because of pollworker error. That's why Wisconsin isn't routinely throwing out votes on ballots that weren't properly initialed by the pollworkers. Obviously the question remains which votes are valid.

              I'm not kidding you at all. If you have no idea why the Minnesota canvassing board would vote to count votes on ballots that couldn't be found, then you really are missing something important here.

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