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    •  Money has proved a particularly effective (2+ / 0-)
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      veil behind which the people who were previously deprived could continue to be deprived without leaving finger prints.  All it takes is to make sure the wrong people have no access to money and that any they get is separated from them as soon as possible.

      Problem is, this systematic impoverishment worked so well, it got directed at the vast majority of the population.  One percent rich and 99 % poor is not a happenstance.  That took a lot of effort.

      http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

      by hannah on Fri May 06, 2011 at 01:56:55 PM PDT

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    •  All that the OECD data proves... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...is that our system does very well at educating Rich Kids.

      You cannot rebut the assertion that public schools are failing by saying, "Yes. but...our Rich Kids are doing great!"

      •  So duplicate it with poor kids! (2+ / 0-)
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        I fail to see the problem here!

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Fri May 06, 2011 at 04:55:24 PM PDT

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        •  Good luck (0+ / 0-)

          This dude isn't into that line of thinking because it is too difficult to accomplish.

        •  Rich Kids have... (0+ / 0-)

          ...many things that Poor Kids don't have.

          One of these things is the ability to choose what school they go to.

          Some have proposed opening Charter Schools so that that Poor Kids could also have choices.

          •  What will this do? (0+ / 0-)

            Will the resulting schools be as good as the ones the rich kids get to choose?  If so, how will they be paid for?  
            If paid by the government,  why not just fix the poor public schools?  Why not extend these choices within the public school system?  
            After all, poor students by definition won't be able to get around as easily as rich ones; what's the point of having more choices if they're not reachable?  
            Will we simply have that many more schools?  Will they all be funded at the per-student level of the ones from which the rich students have to choose?  Alternately, why not open up more choice in public schools?

            The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

            by Panurge on Fri May 06, 2011 at 06:26:34 PM PDT

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        •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

          they can't do their homework when they go home, have no pencil, no desk, live in one room, and everyone else in the house is screaming at each other.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Fri May 06, 2011 at 09:22:22 PM PDT

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    •  not really.... (0+ / 0-)

      that study compared our rich kids only with both the rich and poor from other countries.  it's very misleading in that respect...

      •  gah! i wish i could edit... (0+ / 0-)

        i was actually reading about the pisa earlier today.  wikipedia says this about it:  

        It should be noted that the adjustment for poverty levels in the US done by "PISA: It's Poverty Not Stupid", was not similarly done for the other countries it was comparing. Therefore, this adjustment is comparing the averages of the other countries with the areas of 10% to 25% poverty levels in America.

        after looking at the primary document, it looks like wikipedia is totally wrong.  Riddle compares US students at schools with less than 10% poverty to overall countries with less than 10% poverty.  and then he again does that with the 11%-25% range US poverty level to those countries with overall poverty rates falling in that range.

        i guess what the wikipedia quote means is that Riddle adjusted for schools in the US and not for the other countries.  in other words, the population of students in those other countries may not be distributed evenly.  and that makes the comparison imperfect.  that's gotta be it, right?  

        •  Over 25% of American children live in poverty (0+ / 0-)

          and that's poverty as defined by our absurdly low poverty line number.

          That's frankly appalling.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Fri May 06, 2011 at 09:27:07 PM PDT

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          •  yah, totally.... (0+ / 0-)

            that fact really jumped out at me also when i was looking at the charts.  frankly, i was surprised by the numbers.  the inequity in this country is not well publicized is it?

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