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  •  I Agree (0+ / 0-)

    Collapse is inevitable so the sooner the better. Greens in 2012. Time to think about the future.

    •  I've surveyed the Greens, personally, and I don't (0+ / 0-)

      think they have a clue.  They're superannuated hippies, right out of the sixties Woodstock playbook.  Huge disappointment.  Why would you waste energy and money on national candidacies when you don't have local presences?  And Cynthia McKinney, a Democrat reject trying to get back into the game?  C'mon.  I do know of one effort, upper mid-West, I believe, to take over a local Green outfit and make something realistically political of it, but that's about it.  Oh, and Gavin Newsome in SF.  

      Different era, different necessities, but some people stay where they're comfortable, I guess.  I support their right to be exactly what they are, however, they're completely ineffective at getting their candidates into offices and I don't see them as a reasonable option.  I remind that the Greens in TX got onto the ballot by taking Republican money that was intended to, and succeeded in, bleeding off enough votes to defeat Bill White for TX governor.

      "The worst that can happen to any group of people working to unseat an existing power base is their failure to imagine the lengths to which those in power will go to keep it." Cognitive Dissonance at Zero Hedge

      by CarolinNJ on Thu May 12, 2011 at 11:07:38 AM PDT

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      •  What then? (0+ / 0-)

        I agree that the Greens are hamstrung by identity politics liberalism (so are the Democrats though they presently use those issues to grease their corporate agenda through the party apparachiks). The Greens  are decidedly anti-corporatist and that is the primary issue today. Plus, the Greens are the only viable third party at the moment. If something better comes along I'll be very happy but as of now: Greens in 2012!

        P.S., turns out the old hippies were correct about most everything.

        •  Yes, but we still arrived here. The old hippies (0+ / 0-)

          are also ineffective.  And given how many of them there are, here doesn't speak well of them.  Personally, again, I think they're terminally self-involved and intellectually lazy, as a generation.  I'll certainly entertain examples of exceptions, but in aggregate, they're not impressive.

          "The worst that can happen to any group of people working to unseat an existing power base is their failure to imagine the lengths to which those in power will go to keep it." Cognitive Dissonance at Zero Hedge

          by CarolinNJ on Thu May 12, 2011 at 11:59:40 AM PDT

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          •  The Old Hippies (0+ / 0-)

            abandoned their principles. They got bought off and bought out. They became yuppies and Reagan Democrats. Meanwhile, the Right Wing plotted to plutocratize the country. And they have succeeded. Which is how we got here. We know that. So I ask again: now what?  If not the Greens then who?

            •  Excellent question. I have no ready answer. I'm (0+ / 0-)

              open to a discussion, but it has to have the element of effectiveness in it.  Tilting at windmills is exhausting and not productive.

              "The worst that can happen to any group of people working to unseat an existing power base is their failure to imagine the lengths to which those in power will go to keep it." Cognitive Dissonance at Zero Hedge

              by CarolinNJ on Thu May 12, 2011 at 01:03:32 PM PDT

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