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  •  Remote mental diagnoses (1+ / 0-)
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    of other site users are forbidden. I assume diagnoses of people "on our side" -- Democratic and progressive politicans -- are at least discouraged as well.

    No such restriction has ever applied here to criticism of Republicans and right-wingers.

    "Right now, you have been convicted of as many counts of treason as Manning." -- wiscmass. (Yes, you.)

    by cville townie on Thu May 12, 2011 at 06:58:46 PM PDT

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    •  just to be clear... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... I certainly think we should be able to call each other "crazy" and "off the wall" and similar epithets; after all, this isn't the Senate:-)

      And if there are Democrats out there who come anywhere close to Republicans in terms of dangerous conditions that we as voters should know about, sure, go for it.  

      But one thing I really detest is taboos.  

      Making psychiatric terminology off-limits is a taboo: an exercise in superstition, therefore impermissible in a rational culture.

      People around here routinely comment on legal matters, and even use terms of art, but they typically insert the disclaimer "I am not a lawyer," so it's not "legal advice."

      So it should also go with respect to commenting on psychiatric matters.  

      If someone is clearly showing signs of a psychiatric disorder, we need to be able to bring that up.  Not only for the person's own good in many cases (e.g. "that sounds like depression speaking" or "that sounds clearly delusional"), but also to prevent clearly disturbed remarks from causing flame wars and similar digressions that destroy online conversations.  

      More than once I've run across diaries that were 100% diagnostic for schizophrenia.  In one instance, someone was going on about how their apartment had been secretly wired with surveillance devices and hidden speakers that were whispering about them.  That person needed help, pronto, and more than one of us said so loud & clear.  

      Putting taboos on the relevant language doesn't help, and does prevent people saying things that can potentially help.  As for the mis-use of that language as a form of epithet or name-calling, that's merely rude, along the same lines as using any other health-related language in the same way: for example calling someone a "cripple."  

      The one thing that clearly needs to be off-limits is the use of any language that has the effect of compromising another user's personal identity ("outing").  If psych jargon is used in that manner, it's as off-limits as anything else used in that manner.  

      But please let's not indulge in some kind of "demon-haunted world" thinking, wherein words that refer to "demons in the mind" are a-priori off limits.  

      •  On 100% diagnostics (0+ / 1-)
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        Do you realize that being unable to accept community norms because you have a problem with "taboos" is diagnostic of mental disorders?

        Making psychiatric terminology off-limits is a taboo
        I've explained this to you already, when I responded to your inappropriate abusive retributive HR. It is not the terminology which is at issue. You didn't call Orly paranoid (which is true), you said she was paranoid schizophrenic (which is a medical diagnosis). You didn't say Trump was a narcissist (which is true) you said he suffered from narcissistic personality disorder (which is a medical diagnosis). If you want to give advice, go find those people and privately send them a message urging them to seek psychiatric counseling, if you are concerned about them and stupid enough to think it would do any good. But please don't turn DK into the place on the Internet where it is acceptable to use grievous and offensive insults like amateur remote psychiatric diagnosis because you find responding to them on a more civilized level too burdensome.

        It is far too easy to just dismiss everything anyone who politically disagrees with you says (or disagrees with you at all, for that matter) using hackneyed psychological pseudo-diagnosis. Call them paranoid and narcissists all you want; the use of those terms in the field of psychiatry does not make them exclusive to that context. But dressing it up as a would-be diagnosis is off-limits.

        "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." ~ Thomas Paine

        by the tmax on Fri May 13, 2011 at 06:48:38 AM PDT

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          Do you realize that being unable to accept community norms because you have a problem with "taboos" is diagnostic of mental disorders?

          and then spending the rest of your message talking about how unacceptable it is to diagnose other posters here. Your u-turn time is now down from half an hour to a few seconds.

          "Right now, you have been convicted of as many counts of treason as Manning." -- wiscmass. (Yes, you.)

          by cville townie on Fri May 13, 2011 at 01:32:10 PM PDT

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          •  I put that there just for you, townie (0+ / 0-)

            And carefully worded it so you'd tie yourself in knots trying to pretend it contradicts anything else I've said, which it doesn't.

            "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." ~ Thomas Paine

            by the tmax on Fri May 13, 2011 at 02:26:47 PM PDT

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    •  I've never seen (0+ / 0-)

      it limited in that way. Do you have some reference to that? It doesn't sound very, I don't know, Democratic. It wouldn't surprise me if tons of previous examples were overlooked by scads of TUs, but I'm sensitive to this kind of thing and I like to be consistent. If you could provide some evidence or admin authority, I'll be happy to remove my donut. It isn't like I want to defend Palin or Trump, two human turds I wish would become allergic to microphones and twitter.

      "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." ~ Thomas Paine

      by the tmax on Thu May 12, 2011 at 07:41:08 PM PDT

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