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  •  No, izengabe, you're the spinner & proven wrong (16+ / 0-)

    Dave Wasserman of the Cook Report tweeted on this late last night that the local media up there are savaging Corwin over this.  So you're already proven wrong about how this is playing in the district.

    Yes the fact the guy works for Corwin is relevant because the district Republicans purposely tried to hide it, and Corwin is trying dishonestly to disclaim responsibility.

    This would've been easy to avoid by just being up front at the get-go that yes this was Corwin's Assembly CoS, he was volunteering for her campaign on his own time, and shrug it off.  Dems would've tried to make a stink about it, but it wouldn't have stuck.

    But lying sticks.  Corwin is already taking on water for this now.

    43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

    by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 06:38:52 AM PDT

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    •  Davis isn't going to collapse (8+ / 0-)

      Simply because he is spending so much money. What it probably does is make whatever slim chance he had to actually win disappear.

      •  Yup, that's what I said comparing to Hoffman... (9+ / 0-)

        ...in yesterday's comments.

        Davis is like Hoffman in that he's got the resources to become, and stay, visible.  Hoffman needed outside help for that, Davis has his own cash, but the result is the same, that they can play hard right through the election.

        This contrasts with Chris Daggett in NJ-Gov and Tim Cahill in MA-Gov, both of whom didn't have the resources to compete and saw their polling erode fast when attacked.  If Daggett had the kind of money Davis had, then Corzine would still be Governor.

        As long as Davis keeps saturating the airwaves, he'll keep the support Hochul needs him to keep.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 06:46:41 AM PDT

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        •  League all their own (4+ / 0-)
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          Cahill's candidacy is destine to be remarkably unique for decades.

          Incumbent state-wide officer holder who had been Treasurer longer than Deval was Governor...Cahill had several million $ in the bank and was challenging Patrick as a centrist alternative (in theory).

          The reality is that Cahill never actually had a platform, and was dealt an irreparable blow when, just weeks before the election, his runningmate defected and endorsed the republican!

          •  Republicans probably helped (3+ / 0-)
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            Patrick out most. They spent most of their early money attacking and going hard negative on Cahill, with the mistaken thought these moderate Democrats would go to (I forgot the Republican candidates name already), whereas in reality they broke heavily for Patrick.

            Truth becomes fiction when the fiction's true; Reality becomes illusion where the unreal's real. -Cao Xueqin

            by ArkDem14 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:22:10 AM PDT

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            •  The GOPer was Charlie Baker, & the strategy was... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...to follow the NJ-Gov model, where the GOP attacking Daggett knocked down his support, got Christie's numbers back up, and propelled him to the narrow win.

              Republicans assumed the same in MA about Cahill's support, that it was primarily anti-Patrick, just as Daggett's support was primarily anti-Corzine.  But they were wrong in MA, the Cahill voters as it turned out were still open to Patrick, as were quite a few undecideds.  It turned out Patrick would've won a 2-way race, as he got 49% in the 3-way.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:37:48 AM PDT

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              •  Being random here (2+ / 0-)
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                But Dkos thread just announced Kohl is expected to say today that he's retiring. And already it's filled with people gushing over a Feingold return, (as opposed to the young, dynamic, and test Ron Kind who represents Western Wisconsin).

                Ron Kind will be running, he's been the heir apparent for quite sometime. I think this does affect redistricting though, with it becoming more likely Kind's district will be shored up a bit in exchange for helping Ryan and Sean Duffy.

                Truth becomes fiction when the fiction's true; Reality becomes illusion where the unreal's real. -Cao Xueqin

                by ArkDem14 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:50:50 AM PDT

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    •  I've never been sure what to think (6+ / 0-)
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      of Izengabe. He tends to write off any scandal that happens to a Republican, and overhype those that happen to Democrats, (and he, for all purposes, seems to be a marginal Democrats). In 2010 he was bullish on McMahon the whole time, and said after Blumenthal's occasional habit of misspeaking about his Vietnam service on the stump, that the race was over and there was no way Democrats could win it. (Of course he also said he kind of wanted McMahon to win because he was a WFC fan).

      In New York, his home state, he has an especially bad habit of trying to counter most of what David says. I guess you could say he's essentially the kind of anti-Democrat Democrat that keeps sending Guliani and Bloomberg back into office. It's hard to peg what goes through his logic and bias.

      Truth becomes fiction when the fiction's true; Reality becomes illusion where the unreal's real. -Cao Xueqin

      by ArkDem14 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 06:44:55 AM PDT

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      •  I'll just say that... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...there are some individuals who always strike me as suspicious, and in some (not all) cases it's been borne out that they're actually Republicans after all.  SSPer
        "notpjorourke" is one of them, he revealed himself a Republican on RRH while having tried to conceal it on SSP.

        I've learned to privately just not trust a few certain people.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 06:51:20 AM PDT

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        •  I see he hasn't followed us over here (2+ / 0-)
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          Can't say I'm upset about that. Which allows me to state my belief that he was the same guy that got banned early on for claiming Dems should give up in Missouri. He just learned how to hide himself. Obviously not well enough though because notpjorourke instead of notleeatwater isn't much of a disguise. Especially when you bring it up all the time.

          •  I don't think it was the same guy (2+ / 0-)
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            Yeah it could've been, and obviously someone who mosied over from the Not Larry Sabato blog where a fair number of commenters adopt the "Not"-whoever naming convention for their psedonyms.

            But I don't think so, unless the guy was a true troll.  notleeatwater claimed to have worked professionally in Missouri Democratic politics for 20 years, while notpj claimed no such thing but rather, according to other SSPers, had revealed once he'd worked for Maryland Republican Congressman Wayne Gilchrist.

            So if it was the same guy, he really was a troll deserving of hide-rating, since outright lying about one's identity and background is not permitted.

            43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:20:39 AM PDT

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      •  That's because (5+ / 0-)
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        Izengabe is a conservative. Because of his views he always tries to downplay anything that happens to Republicans and overblowns things that happens to Democrats (like of like what the MSM and Politico does to Obama and the Democrats).

        In the special election to replace John McHugh in upstate New York, the man was all over SSP gushing over DeDe saying she would make a better Congrsssman than Hoffman or Bill Owens. She's the right fit for that district, the man either comes off as a idiot or a shill.

        Then's the Vietnam-gate incident with Dick Blumenthal in CT in which he overblown this and said the Dems were not going to win this race, but to be fair everyone in SSP threw Blumenthal under the bus...everyone.

        I think Izgengabe is a biasconservative who no matter thinks no matter what happens to the GOP they'll be fine and no matter what happens to the Dems there toast. Most of the time though, the guy is wrong because his track record dosen't back him up. Think what you want though.

        •  Well, Allow me to take some (5+ / 0-)
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          Credit, I did say from the very start the piece looked suspiciously like a McMahon hit piece that the NYTimes ran with without a very thorough fact check, (such as misquoting officials from one of the incidents in question, and making it sound as if Blumenthal had everyone thinking he served in Vietnam when most everyone involved knew he wasn't an active war vote, and the selective and inconclusive quotes). But that was my optimistic streak coming out, that and I've always really liked Blumenthal.

          Truth becomes fiction when the fiction's true; Reality becomes illusion where the unreal's real. -Cao Xueqin

          by ArkDem14 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:09:11 AM PDT

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          •  To be honest (1+ / 0-)
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            I was pretty disgusted in what the times did to Blumenthal, I used to read that paper religiously for years and they never seems to be the type of paper to write a hit piece like that. Now the Washington Times I could see doing that. But reading the horrible article and the crack staff Blumenthal had made me believe that he was going to survive, espically when they responded to it fast instead of letting the issue fester.

        •  You're right about most of us on Blumenthal (4+ / 0-)
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          Actually I agree with the rest of your comment, too, but the point on Blumenthal is what I'm responding to.

          I was one of those who right away thought him toast.

          I was so wrong, thank God.  As were many of us, David included.

          One thing looking back that I think helped Blumenthal was that instead of disappearing into a hole or apologizing, his reaction was to strike back hard at the NYT.  And the NYT having been wrong on some key facts in its reporting helped him.

          It's interesting how Blumenthal weathered that storm without suffering even a scratch, while Scott McInnis in Colorado was abandoned by everyone in the GOP immediately upon the plagiarism revelations.  They didn't even wait to see how it would play out, they just threw him under the bus.  I thought at the time, and still think in hindsight, admittedly cynically since what they did was honorable, that they were stupid politically to do that.  They could've waited it out, watched the public reaction, then made a decision to abandon him or stick with him.

          It's confounding sometimes how developing scandals play out.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:10:44 AM PDT

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          •  To be honest (6+ / 0-)

            Scott McInnis wasn't abandoned because he plagiarized. If he had plagiarized a few paragraphs of an op-ed, he'd have won the primary and he'd be Governor now most likely.

            That's where the difference comes in: he didn't just plagiarize, he essentially defrauded an institution that paid him a lot of money to do a project for them but lifting full pages of it without credit from a previous papers on the subject. What McInnis did was far more that plagiarism and far more serious and it was something that would turn off ordinary voters, in a way that plagiarizing, as I said, an op-ed or a part of his campaign site, wouldn't have. I'm surprised at how some Democrats have this tendency, even now, to underhype what McInnis did. It was a serious scandal and one that ordinary votes could get: paid tens of thousands of dollars to write a report for a private institution, large chunks of it taken from a previous report and passed off as his own. That is essentially classic fraud.

            Truth becomes fiction when the fiction's true; Reality becomes illusion where the unreal's real. -Cao Xueqin

            by ArkDem14 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:20:18 AM PDT

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          •  Thankfully I wasn't one of the people who threw (1+ / 0-)
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            Him under the bus. I think and you brought this up what did keep him from escaping this without a scratch was not because we found out the NYT piece was a hit peace was his PR people's rapid response to this. They responded to this quick enough that the campaign didn't suffer and had people asking questions and you know what? I'm not shocked by that at all.

            One of things that Blumenthal was known was not bring a risk taker at all. I mean in this 20 years of being AG he had numerous chances of moving up but passed because he didn't want to take the chance of losing the race and his job and when he saw the perfect chance of running for the Senate when Chris Dodd retired, in less of a day he announced his running. So it's no shock at all that he would hire a crack campaign staff to help him in case times got rough. That's why I was distrubed when everyone at SSP freaked out the way he did.

            Of course that's now all history

            •  I just knew Blumenthal (0+ / 0-)

              was too smart to go around openly lying about something so damaging and so easy to prove he was lying. It turned out to be his awkward way of speaking and a ton of fluffed air on the part of McMahon campaign. Luckily, it appears Blumenthal did more damage to her when he went negative. Of course, he had a bit of teflon as a widely popular Attorney General with a decades long career in the state, whereas she was just a rich billionaire with a sketchy business past and a propensity for doing crazy things.

              Truth becomes fiction when the fiction's true; Reality becomes illusion where the unreal's real. -Cao Xueqin

              by ArkDem14 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:40:57 AM PDT

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          •  You have to live in CT (0+ / 0-)

            to have understood the Blumenthal dynamic. The man had a reputation of utmost integrity, and had won by landslide margins for a number of cycles. The misspeaking thing didn't fit into our our deeply ingrained image of him. Sure, it did some damage, but by Election Day, we were rallying to his defense once again.

            He's one of us.

            PS. And by "us," I don't mean Democrats, but rather: regular people (his wealth notwithstanding).

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