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  •  It's not a basketball game (3+ / 0-)

    There's no "saving" a "star" for later in the game.

    We need to win this seat now, and this isn't Hawaii or even Massachusetts (where we just lost).  Wisconsin is much more iffy, yes we should win, but there's no "saving" whoever is our best candidate if we can get him to run now.

    43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

    by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 12:11:20 PM PDT

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    •  Why not? (0+ / 0-)

      I think Kind will be our strongest senate candidate, but if he runs and wins now than he can't be a candidate when we need a strong candidate more. 2016 will almost certainly be a tougher race for us than this one will. For one thing, taking on an incumbent is almost always tougher than winning an open seat, and also right now we have the advantage of Scott Walker. It may not be possible to dissuade Kind from running now if he really wants to (and I wouldn't have any problems with it, b/c I think he's a great guy), but if Tammy Baldwin or Russ Feingold want to be senators I'd much rather they run now than in 2016.

      Male, VA-08, Born CA-36, SwingStateProject expat

      by drobertson on Fri May 13, 2011 at 02:11:25 PM PDT

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      •  Seniority (0+ / 0-)

        Kind will have 20 years of seniority on the Ways and Means Committee by that point. It would be dumb of him to give that up to be a junior Senator.

        •  Good point (0+ / 0-)

          I hadn't thought of that. Although I guess it all depends on which he would rather be; a senator or a senior member of the house? If his goal is to become ways and means chair or something, he might not run for senate at all, now or in 2016. Has he put out a statement yet on this?

          Male, VA-08, Born CA-36, SwingStateProject expat

          by drobertson on Fri May 13, 2011 at 02:36:20 PM PDT

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        •  age (1+ / 0-)
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          Kind will be 53 in 2016. Only 18 of the current 100 senators are younger than that now, so he would have time to build up some seniority.

          SSP poster. 41, Dem-leaning Ind (-0.25, -3.90), CA-5

          by sacman701 on Fri May 13, 2011 at 03:23:14 PM PDT

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      •  See my reply further above on 2016 (1+ / 0-)
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        There's no reason to "save" anyone for 2016.  Come 2016, we'll have other good candidates to run for that other seat.  We always have a good bench in Wisconsin.

        And again, this isn't basketball, Kind isn't a player subject to a coach's mercy on when he gets "on the floor" to run.

        Anyone in his right mind would rather run now than in 2016.  Barring a hostile wave election, you'd always rather run for an open seat than have to beat an incumbent.  Wisconsin isn't so blue that a Republican like Johnson can't become popular and tough to beat.  And nothing that's happening now in Wisconsin that's turning voters against the GOP for this cycle will matter a damn bit to the state's voters in 2016.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri May 13, 2011 at 07:12:23 PM PDT

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    •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

      I would do whatever I could to make sure Baldwin was elected if she was the candidate, but I would prefer Kind, if only because he's the safer bet. Criticize me for that if you like, but that's how I feel.

      Perhaps she's the one that should wait until 2016. It will be another presidential year, and Johnson doesn't strike me as the very lethally electoral type. Some here have said that he's toast, like Toomey or Kirk, when he's up again. I might not go that far, but he doesn't seem like he has a lot of crossover appeal and I am not sure he's smart enough to work on reelection in the way he needs to. Plus, at that point, her winning or losing would be a lot less important.

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