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    I am actually appalled at most of the comments here - especially those that celebrate her threatened violence against someone - and a woman at that. Had the behavior been exhibited by a white male against a coworker/woman of color, you would all be screaming for the death penalty for him.

    Hypocrisy is, indeed, blind to the political spectrum. It resides all along it.

    And I won;t even begin to go into just how completely phony and inaccurate her entire series was (from start to finish - and especially the final seasons, which rank among the very worst and most self-aggrandizing television in history). I remember a long article in one of the Progressive magazines back in the early 190s about how the show was about as representative of working class/poor families as Leave it to Beaver was representative of the typical American family. The author raked Barr over the coals for the inauthenticity of the show and the amazingly insipid things they did when they HAD money (including trips to Las Vegas and Hollywood that no actual poor family could ever afford)

    And, of course, I will not go into her fake 'multiple personalities" phase (during which almost everyone who knew her claimed it was all a publicity stunt) or her abysmal antics with her 2 latest husbands (which can do nothing but do as much harm to her children as she claims her own parents did to her.)

    Sorry - as much as I would like to applaud her efforts, I simply cannot do it.

    The Democratic Party. Never has so much been squandered so quickly for so little.

    by GayIthacan on Tue May 17, 2011 at 09:51:31 AM PDT

    •  Glass houses ... (4+ / 0-)

      And, the show wasn't meant as a documentary of a lower middle class family, but a comedy set in that environment.  Whether someone thinks it was the best achievement with that goal in mind isn't really that relevant to whether the show broke some new ground in depicting American families.

      •  She also made a brilliant point (3+ / 0-)
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        how there's no other show on tv that dares depict a real family.  And she's right.

        Every sitcom involving family has always been about fairly well off, successful upper-middle classers with two floors, a basement and a white picket fence, or a nice condo in the middle of the big city, while your blue color working family is depicted as some group of hicks out in the boonies for a laugh who do nothing but get drunk and yell loudly about things.

        It's maddening.

        If you set the man on fire, he's not going to pay you

        by Codenamechaz on Tue May 17, 2011 at 10:23:24 AM PDT

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        Sorry.

        She said many times during the show's run that it was meant as an accurate depiction of the 'typical American working-class family".

        She cannot now claim it was 'just fantasy'. It was fantasy - in almost every way - and bore absolutely no resemblance to the 'typical working-class family".

        I wish I could remember the magazine that published the article I speak of in my first post - but it dealt with a documentary on PBS about an actual blue-collar poor family - and laid out just how ridiculous Roseanne's show was in its claim to 'represent' working class families with any degree of accuracy.

        But I do respect her as a stand-up comic. I just wish she had stayed with that.

        The Democratic Party. Never has so much been squandered so quickly for so little.

        by GayIthacan on Tue May 17, 2011 at 10:28:34 AM PDT

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        •  It was successful because people could relate (0+ / 0-)

          So, whatever article you're thinking may express one point of view but the fact is that she was successful in depicting a family that many people recognized from their own experience.  There's no single blue collar family experience, so I don't know how anyone could presume to say that the show didn't achieve it's goal.

          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

            Of course the show achieved it goal - which was the same goal as every other network primetime series has - to make money for its advertisers and production company. :D :D

            The Democratic Party. Never has so much been squandered so quickly for so little.

            by GayIthacan on Tue May 17, 2011 at 11:33:55 AM PDT

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    •  the show had its ups and downs (2+ / 0-)
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      I used to watch it when I was a poverty stricken single parent and it was the closest thing on TV to my personal reality (sans husband).  They had money problems, sould deadening jobs, had to kowtow to their superiors, the kids had their own problems, they didn't wear prada or live in a mansion.  Yes, it was absolutely the closest thing to my reality.

      I only stopped watching after they hit "success," and a lot of unbelievable things started happening.  Later it they cleaned it up by showing that it was her imagination, that the last two years were a fantasy and her family had huge problems that she was trying to wish away.

      If you think education is expensive, wait until you see how much stupid costs

      by Sychotic1 on Tue May 17, 2011 at 10:37:19 AM PDT

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