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  •  Respectfully, that amounts to misdirection (0+ / 0-)

    "The owners" are irrelevant--unless you're engaged in "great man" economics, which I doubt anyone takes seriously.

    This is a question of policy.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Sun May 22, 2011 at 01:56:46 PM PDT

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    •  respectfully, you are wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      The owners are the only ones who matter, since they are the only ones who have any legal authority whatsoever to decide where a business goes and why.

      The business owners did not move jobs to China because the government of China or the US made them, or forced them too, or threatened them if they didn't. Nor did they move all those jobs there because of their humanitarian concern for the poor poverty-stricken starving masses of Chinese people.

      They moved all those jobs because they made a ton of money doing it---and that's all they care about.

      •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

        Are you going to put all of the people who value profit first in jail?

        This is ultimately a question of policy.

        Ok, so I read the polls.

        by andgarden on Sun May 22, 2011 at 02:14:02 PM PDT

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        •  non sequiteur (1+ / 0-)
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          It is not a matter of policy.  The business owners didn't move our jobs to China because of government policy.  They moved them out of raw naked individual self-interest.  Nothing else.

          Are you going to put all of the people who value profit first in jail?

          In the case of those who put profit before health, safety and environment, then yes, I'd have no complaint about putting them in jail.

          Would you?

          •  I generally assume (0+ / 0-)

            that people will do what they can get away with and set policy with that in mind.

            Do you support an embargo on all goods sourced from China? If not, what do you propose to do about the fact that their means of production doesn't live up to our standards ?

            Ok, so I read the polls.

            by andgarden on Sun May 22, 2011 at 02:36:52 PM PDT

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            •  it's not just China, it's every nation everywhere (1+ / 0-)
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              So the solution to it also cannot be nation-based, but must happen everywhere.

              There is only one way to do that---write environmental, worker, consumer and safety rules into the WTO's international trade structure itself, so it applies to everyone everywhere.

              That is the aim of the "fair trade movement".

              As for "getting away with what they can", you continue to miss the point completely. No one who doesn't own a factory, can decide to move it someplace else.  The only ones who can do that are the ones who own it. Period.

              •  I think this issue is simply (0+ / 0-)

                more complicated than you present it.

                Working conditions and wages every bit as bad as those now seen in China were prolific in this country not 100 years ago. And people from eastern and southern europe risked everything to come here and take those jobs.

                Factories in China (or anywhere else in the developing world) aren't going to get any better until the people who work there have the economic or political power to demand better.

                Ok, so I read the polls.

                by andgarden on Sun May 22, 2011 at 02:49:34 PM PDT

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