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  •  It will be when there is a Palestinian State (2+ / 0-)
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    Paul in Berkeley, livosh1

    with set borders. It will absolutely be within their rights to do just that.

    DK4: For those times when pissing in the hummus isn't enough

    by volleyboy1 on Wed May 18, 2011 at 04:03:15 PM PDT

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    •  How does that work (3+ / 0-)
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      Flyswatterbanjo, soysauce, poco

      when the general framework that has been set forth in over 20 years of negotiations precludes Palestinians having control over their borders and the right to self-defense?

      In fact, even in the unlikely eventuality that a Palestinian state would ever come into existence, your statement that

      It will absolutely be within their rights to do just that.

      will be far from "absolute."

      If the people one day wish to live / destiny cannot but respond / And the night cannot but disappear / and the bonds cannot but break. -- Abu'l-Qasim al-Shabbi

      by unspeakable on Wed May 18, 2011 at 05:22:32 PM PDT

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    •  Israel has no agreed borders (4+ / 0-)

      as you are well aware, since you regularly apologise for its attempts to expand them.

      A nearly unanimous international political and legal consensus does say that Israel's borders run along the Green Line - borders the Israeli government (and, far less importantly, you) reject, and the Palestinian leadership, including Hamas, accepts.

      The Syrian unarmed, nonviolent demonstrators did not attempt to cross Israeli borders, since Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights is "null and void", as the UN Security Council and the International Court of Justice have repeatedly affirmed.

      A lot of the violence took place in the village of Majdal Shams in the occupied Golan Heights. Again, no Israeli borders were crossed or threatened, because Israel has zero legal title to Majdal Shams.

      Meanwhile in the West Bank, protestors attempted to march into East Jerusalem. Again, no Israeli borders were crossed, because, as repeatedly affirmed by the UN Security Council and the International Court of Justice, Israel has zero legal title to any of East Jerusalem.

      So it's important that people be clear about this: when commentators here and elsewhere claim that Israel was justified in killing or indeed doing anything to the unarmed demonstrators because it has a right to defend "its borders", they are taking a position, contrary to the entire international community and the International Court of Justice, that Israel has the right to unilaterally determine its borders, even when they run through other people's territory.

      Meanwhile, if Palestinian refugees in Lebanon seek to return to their homeland, they are only upholding the internationally recognised right of return. If Israel wants another solution, it should end its rejectionism and make Palestinians a serious offer. Shooting unarmed refugees is not a legitimate substitute for that, and this really shouldn't need saying.

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