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  •  Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't mean that you're a ridiculous person, but the contrast between your words and the actual events on the ground are absolutely ridiculous.

    1) Palestinians are actually subjected to these levels of force, as this vile user justifying the use of attack dogs on human beings pointed out. They are also shot at and injured as well. And the larger point is that only Israelis are allowed to use this sort of violence. Any attempt by Palestinians to act similarly is automatically condemned by The People That Matter and investigations are called for.

    2) Your argument that only states have the right to do this is quite convenient when Israel refuses to allow a Palestinian state to come into being. And as I said above, throughout the negotiating process, one of Israel's consistent demands has been that a Palestinian state lack the ability to defend itself and any control over its borders. The United States fully supports this, and it's likely to be a part of any solution in the foreseeable future. So in fact, Palestinians wouldn't have that same right to deal with "trespassers," would they?

    3) The Israeli army — not civilians but the army — has repeatedly violated Lebanese territory since 2006. No one would countenance a response from Lebanon.

    There is a hypocrisy here where Arabs may be killed and no one bats an eye while an uproar would emerge if the target were an Israeli Jew.

    If the people one day wish to live / destiny cannot but respond / And the night cannot but disappear / and the bonds cannot but break. -- Abu'l-Qasim al-Shabbi

    by unspeakable on Thu May 19, 2011 at 06:53:51 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry you feel that way (0+ / 0-)

      But I don't think you're comparing apples to apples. If a gang of Israelis were to storm the Syrian border, or the Jordanian border, and were met with force by those countries, I can't say I'd find any fault with Damascus or Amman.

      I've don't really have a strong stance on the militarization or demilitarization of a Palestinian state, so I don't quite know why I get held responsible for the positions of others. I believe that the security concerns of Israel and the security concerns of Palestine ought to be part of the peace process and that Palestine ought to be able to defend itself, while also accounting for Israel's desire not to be attacked. Both sides seem to present Palestine's defense abilities as an all or nothing proposition, part of the absolutism that poisons the chance for peace.

      These are the demands and sayings of Lee!

      by Red Sox on Thu May 19, 2011 at 07:23:28 AM PDT

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      •  I wasn't holding you (0+ / 0-)

        responsible for others' words and behaviors, and I'm not calling you a hypocrite.

        What I'm saying is that from where I stand, which for better or worse is opposite of you, your words sound impotent given the reality of the situation.

        Ultimately, what you believe matters a lot less than what Israeli and American policymakers do. It doesn't matter that you wouldn't find fault with Damascus or Amman shooting at Israeli "gangs" (I wholly reject this framing but that's a different point) because the people with guns and microphones would.

        If the people one day wish to live / destiny cannot but respond / And the night cannot but disappear / and the bonds cannot but break. -- Abu'l-Qasim al-Shabbi

        by unspeakable on Thu May 19, 2011 at 07:45:45 AM PDT

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