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  •  My grandparents lived near St. Helens then (2+ / 0-)
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    oortdust, Land of Enchantment

    They still have a jar of ash, and an ash ornament.

    I appreciate your position on nuclear power, and these concerns must be addressed.

    However, even dam projects are facing extreme opposition due to their restrictive effect on native fisheries. Off-shore wind power is fought because of bird hazards and scenic view spoilage. As is solar (habitat disruption)

    Where can we find sources of power that are acceptable? What tradeoffs are we willing to make? Would strict regulation and public ownership make "dangerous" solutions palatable?

    Questions, questions....

    Good policy is good politics

    by AZ Independent on Fri May 20, 2011 at 08:58:37 AM PDT

    •  Here's what I'm for. (7+ / 0-)

      I published this diary on April 15, 2009.  Since that was the day the Tea Party launched no one much noticed.  

      And, personally, 90% of my home heating & cooling are taken care of by passive solar.  A big chunk of energy improvement could be accomplished through building codes.

      The river always wins. (Mark Twain)

      by Land of Enchantment on Fri May 20, 2011 at 09:04:05 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, I agree (3+ / 0-)
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        Land of Enchantment, crose, BachFan

        But in high population density areas, we will still need localized generation. Putting wind turbines a couple thousand miles away will lead to extraordinary line loss. Now, this could be countered with superconductive transmission lines, but we all know how infrastructure investments are anathema in this day and age...

        Good policy is good politics

        by AZ Independent on Fri May 20, 2011 at 09:14:54 AM PDT

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      •  I envy you LoE (2+ / 0-)
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        Land of Enchantment, Joieau

        I'd love to go solar, but I can't afford the conversion cost right now.

        I have beefed up the insulation in the house, that helps, but it's not enough.

        •  I bought land and... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... had the house built with the proceeds from selling my dad's condo and some land when he died.  Once in a lifetime investment.  I looked for a purchase for a year, but nothing fit my short list of requirements:  irrigation water rights, passive solar and good home office.  The house was done kinda low budget - well under $100 per sq. ft. thanks to stuff like concrete slab flooring (stained), doing the painting myself and the "build your own closets" option.  Just the minimum to pass construction inspection.  I did my own tiles in the bathroom and on the kitchen counters, don't have a dishwasher, and bought most of the light fixtures from an outlet selling contractor returns cheap.

          One passive solar item affordable to just about anybody is a clothesline.

          The river always wins. (Mark Twain)

          by Land of Enchantment on Fri May 20, 2011 at 12:01:24 PM PDT

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      •  I've seen a number of those dust storms (2+ / 0-)
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        Land of Enchantment, Joieau

        down here in South Texas. They usually originate in that "Dust Bowl" country and blow all the way down here as 'Northers'. It is incredible to see a huge blue/black/red 2000 foot wall coming at you and then blot out everything.

        But we have our own smaller ones too when it is real dry.
        I remember seeing a mini-dust storm develop just an hour or two after a very heavy, rare rainstorm, up near "El Sal del Rey", near San Manuel-Linn. It was that dry, the rainwater was just sucked away underground, and evaporated by our fierce Sun (yeah, you can see the evap taking place, looks like the 'Rapture').

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

        by Bluefin on Fri May 20, 2011 at 02:07:26 PM PDT

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      •  Not only passive solar (2+ / 0-)
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        Joieau, Land of Enchantment

        but also a wind turbine or a solar panel on every roof.

        Got Books? ..... Need Cables?

        by sweettp2063 on Sat May 21, 2011 at 12:18:36 AM PDT

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        •  Yes. People get too (2+ / 0-)
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          sweettp2063, Land of Enchantment

          hung up on those very large and impressive 1.5 Mw turbines and forget that windmills on short towers with blade span of just 4-6 feet have been steadily pumping water from deep wells into watering troughs throughout the midwest for generations. With modern designs and light composite materials (and maybe protected by your basic fan-cage to protect birds) home-sized wind generators could be as common across the country as TV antennas once were. And not nearly so ugly. A few kilowatts a day, steady and in relatively light breeze, taking up far less 'room' than a roof full of expensive solar panels. Could put a serious dent in any town and/or county's grid usage as well as feed back some juice to the grid when usage is lighter than generation. Save the roof for solar hot water collectors to make a further dent in usage.

          Factories, megachurches, endless strip malls with acres of hot parking lots... all could be retrofitted with generation capacity, solar and wind. Why aren't there ~5 Kw turbines atop all those light poles in said endless parking lots? On-site generation is ever so much more efficient - less transmission loss. Better conservation of 'trons. We don't need to be nuclear, never really did. What we must now do is force the nuclear-free future, as if we were awake and aware and intelligent enough to do the right thing.

          Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

          by Joieau on Sat May 21, 2011 at 12:49:31 PM PDT

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          •  Building Code issues (1+ / 0-)
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            My rural electric coop put up collectors over their parking lot.  Means you get to park in the shade, too.

            Start requiring them over every parking lot and big roof (with the venue getting first dibs on the power produced) and that starts to help.  Public buildings like community centers, schools, armories and so on should all get built with collectors.  Save the taxpayers some real money over time.

            My personal pet peeve is covenants and ordinances that forbid clotheslines.  That oughta get knocked down - no obstacles to free choice on clotheslines!!!! - in the name of national security and energy independence.  

            The river always wins. (Mark Twain)

            by Land of Enchantment on Sat May 21, 2011 at 01:28:23 PM PDT

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    •  Just as Reagan/Bush changed the subject (2+ / 0-)
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      Land of Enchantment, Bluefin

      when they took Carters Solar Panels and alternate energy programs off the books...

      So CAN we.

      Time is overdue for positive change - other countries are already there -

      Changing will require more people to become involved to fight the corporate/political interests against us.

      I want a better FUTURE for our planet than the destructive path we are on... it's NOT working.

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