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  •  Or we'll wait around until (0+ / 0-)

    another cheap energy source is discovered, or as we increase the fixed costs that provide ever increasing renewable energy. There's an equilibrium and we go above it and below it from time to time.

    Try looking at things another way.

    by atheistben on Sun May 22, 2011 at 09:42:41 PM PDT

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    •  This is not an equilibrium process. (1+ / 0-)
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      A fire is not an equilibrium process, it is the consumption of a thermodynamically far from entropy fuel returning it to a closer to entropy state. And once the fuel is consumed, the fire goes out.

      Our economic growth has been far more like a fire than like an equilibrium.

      Indeed, the notion that we can just "wait around until a cheap energy source is found" ignores the basis equation of sustainability:

      sustainable + unsustainable = unsustainable.

      That is, we need sustainable energy sources, and sustainable ecosystem impacts, and sustainable material consumption, in order to be sustainable. "Two out of three" is not a win, its just a choice of how we lose.

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      by BruceMcF on Sun May 22, 2011 at 10:46:00 PM PDT

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      •  I mean, we live on a ball of mostly molten rock... (0+ / 0-)

        ...that orbits a giant ball of fusion. There are energy sources around. The fire of human development represents a match being lit in a giant fireplace full of wood.

        Try looking at things another way.

        by atheistben on Mon May 23, 2011 at 07:12:33 AM PDT

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        •  And I mean ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... big fat hairy deal if we come up with "cheap energy" while we are coping with an ecosystem collapse in the face of the mass extinction event we are causing, while at the same time are trying to cope with climate chaos caused by pretending that the energy sources we have been using are "cheap" energy.

          The whole bundle of problems must be solved ~ and in reality, not in the hypothetical abstract, which means that the possibility of solutions that entrenched political power does not permit to be deployed does not actually pull our chestnuts out of the fire.

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          by BruceMcF on Mon May 23, 2011 at 08:02:04 AM PDT

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