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  •  Ah, Yes - the Ad Hominem (0+ / 0-)

    Nothing quite like an ad hominem attack -
    To end your salient point, eh?

    I'll be getting in touch with you as the morass morasses.

    •  You claimed expertise ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ... on the basis of being involved in rail for thirty years. That, rather than evidence, is presented as the foundation of your argument.

      Its shifting the goal posts to argue on the basis of your own personal authority without appeal to evidence and then complain that I did not critique the evidence based argument that you did not in fact present, but instead addressed what you present as the basis of why we should accept your claims.

      I believe that SNCF has thirty years experience, including success in establishing HSR corridors. So with thirty year experience level, why precisely should we accept your claims over the analysis that SNCF set forth?

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      by BruceMcF on Mon May 23, 2011 at 11:08:13 AM PDT

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    •  ???? (0+ / 0-)


      I think SNCF has more experience about how to build an HSR system than you do,
      Nothing quite like an ad hominem attack -
      To end your salient point, eh?
      The ad Hominem fallacy is an argument that seeks to undermine another argument by finding fault with the arguer.

      Bruce is saying that SNCF has plenty of expertise. I can't see that argument as fallacious.

      Speaking of ad Hominem attacks, I'm reminded of when I was riding the Coast Starlight in Oct, '09. I picked up a circular in the Oakland station which had so vituperated CaHSRA, I thought the author feared that without all the pejoratives, people would see that the meat of the argument was that UP was too hostile and he wanted everyone to blame CaHSRA.

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      by Judge Moonbox on Mon May 23, 2011 at 06:59:57 PM PDT

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      •  The UP Is Extremely Hostile - (0+ / 0-)

        It has held Amtrak hostage on western routes for the past decade.

        The Coast Starlight was delayed up to 24 hours in the past three years due to "track maintenance" - not once, but many times.  How was it that the SP was able to operate 6 passenger trains and far more freight on the Cascade Route during WWII with far less advanced communications technology?

        The answer is that the UP wants to make sure that its legal obglations under NRPCA legislation are minimized.  And yet, CHSRA is going to UP hat in hand trusting that all will be well??

        By mentioning the Coast Starlight and UP, you bring up another major flaw in the CHSRA design - complete dependence on the Union Pacific when it has clearly made its ambivalence known.

        SNCF may have plenty of expertise - and I claim to be no expert, simply a lay person involved in rail issues for 30 years - but its operating environment is a far cry from anything it might experience in California.  SNCF stands for Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer - - note the "nationale" part.  France has a national, government-operated rail system.  Not only did SNCF have a broad, integrated passenger rail system from which to develop HSR, it also owned the ROW, had government eminent domain power to condemn new ROWs (not without controversy), and had a unified planing structure.

        Since you have been uprating BruceMcF's comments - including the one with multiple "bullshit" pejoratives - speaking of vituperativeness - I see little reason having any further discussion with you.  It is clear that you have no desire for dialogue.

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