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    The core problem is that from the outset, CHRSA has chosen to play loose with its numbers - always trimming them to the windward.  A little here, a little there.

    And, sadly, you are among the true believers - couching no criticism.
    In fact - that view is the premise of your diary.
    Unfortunately, failure of CHSRA will devastate U.S. passenger rail.
    And I see failure as the likely outcome.

    Even without addressing the conservative critique of CHSRA in the Due Diligence Report by Reason.Org - there have been numerous similar critiques by groups which are generally progressive.  The Berkeley Report last year.  And the Legislative Office's Report this month.

    You can call me every name in the book - but it doesn't change the very real fact that CHSRA is in trouble and circling the wagons is NOT the response called for.  When I give examples, it is not to nit-pick but to show the tip of the iceberg of the manner in which CHSRA has gone about this project.

    To be perfectly frank, I could care less what you call me.  I do not claim to be any expert - simply that I have had a long-term citizen commitment to renewed rail passenger service in the United States.  I will hold people such as you equally or more responsible than right-wing opponents to rail for its failure to proceed forward.

    •  I don't couch bullshit criticisms. (1+ / 0-)
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      And, sadly, you are among the true believers - couching no criticism.

      Claiming I "couch no criticism" just because I don't buy your approach of generating criticisms on whatever basis you can, no matter how flimsy the evidence or exaggerated the conclusion drawn, is bullshit.

      You quite clearly have an ax to grind.

      If you dump out a mix of valid criticisms and bullshit, without evidence for either, you have no right to demand I sift through the bullshit and find evidence to support the valid criticisms.

      When you got specific, you made claims on speed requirements that can be debunked by someone who knows that miles per hour is miles divided by hours ~ and the argument itself was not addressing this diary but was instead soap-boxing on some other discussion we had perhaps a year ago.

      So why should I blindly accept the balance of your claims, without evidence, as you demand?

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      by BruceMcF on Tue May 24, 2011 at 07:41:45 AM PDT

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      •  And Now You Resort to Vulgarity - (0+ / 0-)

        The criticisms I linked to run the range from conservative to progressive Democratic.  So spare me your childish tantrums and doo slinging.  These sources included the Berkeley Report and the Legislative Office Report (under Dem leadership).

        But no - - you have appointed yourself grand Poobah of all things rail - - -

        We have disagreed many times - and you have used ad hominem attacks and vulgarity more than once.

        1) I stated from the outset that piecemeal state projects were not likely to work for political and financial reasons.  You disagreed, but the evidence appears to be far more convincing that my argument for a national program was superior.

        2) CHSRA has, from the outset, played fast and loose with all kinds of numbers.  I have not criticized CHSRA because I am opposed to passenger rail transportation.  I strongly favor it.  But I have consistently underscored that poor oversight and management will doom any project.

        Your use of "FUD" says it all.
        You are painting critics as doomsayers.
        And you have displayed a nastiness which makes DKos an unpleasant place to be, at times.

        PS - Thank you for your contributions to the failure of HSR.

        •  The use of FUD ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... to refer to a Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt campaign is not debunked by such sloppy argument.

          You are painting critics as doomsayers.
          Stop personalizing everything and focus on arguing the merits. If you persistently fall into personalizing the issue when challenged on the merits of claims made, then you have to choose between not mixing bullshit in with your arguments, or having bullshit called on bullshit arguments.

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          by BruceMcF on Tue May 31, 2011 at 10:44:00 AM PDT

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