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  •  Yes, but there is still the (0+ / 0-)

    argument that he was going to vote for the bill in the first place and that it took his constituency to say no was a bad thing. It could show how out of touch he is.

    19, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus, male, Dem, (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin for Senate!

    by ndrwmls10 on Mon May 23, 2011 at 12:09:37 PM PDT

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    •  But how can you really make that argument (0+ / 0-)

      He says he meant to say "on" not "for." He voted against the bill. How can anyone pretend to read his mind? And like tietack says, he "listened" to his constituents - what any good Senator would do. It's not like Kerry, where he did actually vote.

      I'm not saying you're wrong that he changed his mind about voting for it. I just don't think this is as effective attack as you (and David, for that matter), think it is.

      •  It's obvious (2+ / 0-)
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        ndrwmls10, KingofSpades

        he was intending to vote FOR the Ryan proposal. He wouldn't have let that hang out there for a full week, plus, without correcting the record.

        But you're right that he mitigates the damage by voting against the plan now, and making a pretty good statement in opposition - politically speaking. But there's no question this is an unforced error on his part, and will affect the way some voters see him, if only slightly.

        I think the big question among some voters who had been favorable to him could become: Can I trust him? What will he do when he doesn't have to answer to voters again for another 6 years?

        •  An unforced minor error, IMHO (2+ / 0-)
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          Don't get me wrong: there are plenty of reasons I think Brown is vulnerable, and I think he's more conservative than many realize - you're right that he probably did intend to vote for the Ryan plan before he realized the backlash against it. But this vote proves he's got some political savvy, and that at this point he's more focused on the general election than a tea party challenge.

      •  You dont need to read his mind (2+ / 0-)
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        He said he supported the plan and then denied it.  Turn the question into, is Brown only going to listen to us every time he's up for re-election or can we can count on him to do the right thing every time?

        This is also really easy to turn against Brown in a very effective campaign ad and voters aren't going to think that deeply into the whole thing.  Particularly since it'll have happened a year and a half ago; how the hell will they remember exactly how that all transpired.  What they'll see is the attack ad showing him saying he's vote for it and then look like a politician in a negative connotation as he back-pedals as fast as possible.  Then the voter will think, oh yeah I remember that, I guess it was kind of douchey and makes me wonder how he'll vote on other issues if he can barely get this easy one right.

        Not rocket science, just political science.

        •  You and I will have to disagree on this one (0+ / 0-)

          He didn't vote for it, and then against it. He will only have voted against it. That's what will count. He'll be able to counteract any criticism by pointing to his vote.

          I agree, it's not rocket science, just political science, but in this case to Brown's favor. Or, let me put it another way, can you cite an example where a politician said something, but voted another way, and what the politcian said was used against them to prove they are a flip-flop? Don't say Kerry, because he voted two different ways.

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