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  •  I find nothing to object to in that quote. (17+ / 0-)

    Whoever said it has made an accurate assessment of the situation, including that last bit about needing to re-assess where they are in the culture.  We have a pluralist society which permits marginalized groups to go about their business unhindered, and that's probably the final resting place of very conservative Christians.  It's worked out fine for the Amish and Mennonites and Lubovitchers, and I don't doubt that it will work out fine for Evangelical Protestants.  If that quote is the first step in their understanding that they're no longer hegemonic in our society, then more power to them (well, figuratively speaking of course) and I wish them well as yet another insular group that rejects the dominant culture.  As progressives we have great tolerance and even some fondness for such groups.

    It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

    by Rich in PA on Mon May 23, 2011 at 11:19:31 AM PDT

    •  I like your vision (5+ / 0-)

      FOF with as much societal influence as the Amish.

      Numbers are like people . . . Torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

      by Actuary4Change on Mon May 23, 2011 at 11:36:40 AM PDT

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    •  I have one quibble with it... (0+ / 0-)
      I don't want to be extremist here

      Good luck with that.

      Hey Republicans! OBAMA got Osama, and this ain't T-ball, so stop whining!

      by kamarvt on Mon May 23, 2011 at 11:46:54 AM PDT

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    •  To them the trouble (4+ / 0-)

      is that minorities have to demonstrate and earn moral credibility in order to have any.  In the majority you don't have to.  The problem FotF has is that it's probably incompetent to, so becoming part of a cultural minority is fatal.

    •  not really disagreeing with your point.... (3+ / 0-)
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      but while it is true that the Amish don't generally attempt to have an influence on policy, it does happen.

      About ten years ago, the military wanted to conduct low-level flying exercises over our area.

      A group of citizens formed to attempt to stop it, but I really think it was a letter written by the Bishop of the Amish community that sealed the deal.

      But you are right.  If Christain fundamentalist evangelicals were more "live and let live" like my Amish neighbors, they could still maintain their strong beliefs, without attempting to make the rest of us live like them.

      •  The problem is (1+ / 0-)
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        their so called strong beliefs are so fragile they have to be protected by making everyone live like they do.

        In other words even they acknowledge they cannot live in accordance to their own beliefs without some sort of immediate consequence for doing so. Even for them the threat of eternal damnation in Hell is not enough of a deterrent.

        I agree with the others here who say it isn't about spirituality or even salvation. It's about money, power, and control and they want it all for themselves.

        When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

        by Cali Techie on Mon May 23, 2011 at 05:13:47 PM PDT

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    •  The problem is the difference between a (4+ / 0-)

      conservative and a fundamentalist.  A Conservative may object to modern culture and forbid a television in their house.  A Fundamentalist may object to modern culture and try to forbid a television in my house.  If these people want to live quiet lives on their own, I am fine with that, however since they are fundamentalists, they cannot and will not rest until the culture they object to is changed to fit the way they see the world.  Unfortunately, all they will do is move on to the next target, which probably means doubling down on their attacks against women.

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