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  •  Seriously, I've read that many women (8+ / 0-)

    who strongly oppose abortion do so because they think the easy availability of abortion makes it easier for their husbands to cheat on them. It's the whole hostility and lack of trust thing.

    If you Google "headache brain tumor", you will come away convinced that your headache is actually cancer—Seth Mnookin

    by ebohlman on Mon May 23, 2011 at 12:56:23 PM PDT

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    •  You've got to be kidding (8+ / 0-)

      Have these women never heard of birth control? Abortion is the LAST resort - any woman who's sexually active and unmarried and has even one functioning brain cell will be using other forms of birth control.

      Of course, there are plenty who apparently don't have any functioning brain cells... and they probably go to church with those fundamentalist guys who never learned any impulse control.  

      OK... maybe they do have a point...

      •  Unless she's been Very Carefully Taught (14+ / 0-)

        that all forms of birth control other than 'not having sex' have as-actually-used failure rates so high it's not worth the effort or expense.

        Which is one of the reasons why girls who break abstinence pledges tend to have unsafe sex - that stress on 'failure so often it's useless' is not uncommonly part of the 'sales talk' for teenage abstinence in some denominations and is an underlying point of Abstinence Only sex ed.

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Mon May 23, 2011 at 01:16:12 PM PDT

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      •  Cassandra is right on; a lot of the fundy women (7+ / 0-)

        haven't heard of birth control, or have been taught it's not worth the effort, or even dangerous.

        The result is no only unplanned teen pregnancies, but possible exposure to STD's, etc.

        Again, it takes wildly irresponsible and abusive parents to let this go on, let alone encourage, such "pledges" and "abstinence only."

        Kids aren't stupid. Teach them positive values early on, and give them unconditional love and acceptance, and they'll make it through puberty in pretty good shape.

        Pull this crap, and you have a lot of messed up kids turning into wacko adults.

        •  Yes, Indeed... (6+ / 0-)

          The wrong words about birth control have hit fundamentalist and evangelical women's ears. I've already gotten some pressure from some in my church about when I'm going to pop out my first kid--and I've only been married 2 months! WTF?!

              I had the (misfortunate) opportunity to volunteer with the student ministry on the night they held their "father daughter purity ball" last summer. It was an eerie night. The girls all came in in white dresses, with crowns of white flowers on their heads (think the procession of the postulants from the movie The Nun's Story, starring Audrey Hepburn). Their dads were all dressed in suits or black tie. The girls all came in with their cards in their hands, then handed them to the fathers, who signed them, and then they both walked up and pinned their cards to the cross that stood at the center of the room.

             Next, a short sermon was given about how this was a pledge to God, and a sacred vow that God would honor. Then the fathers put silver rings on the daughters' fingers, a ring that could only be replaced by an engagement ring, according to the material that was handed out. And even after the engagement ring, the girl was still to wear it on her right hand until the wedding, at which time she could "set it in her jewelry box as a memento of a sacred vow kept". It was a creepy experience. I was there to help set-up for the event, and stood in as an observer.

            I reflected on my way home about the message that such an event gave to young girls: you are your father's property until you are married, then you become your husband's. The "first dance" was to the overly saccharine song "Butterfly Kisses"....the whole thing was designed to make the girl think she was being celebrated, and to mask the fact that she was in fact, being controlled. It was sickening, and I left student ministries as a volunteer afterward. I couldn't in good conscience support that kind of patriarchal attitude, even if it was in such pretty wrapping. You're right, VigilantLiberal, and events like "father daughter purity balls" mess up our kids even farther. Heaven help us all.

          -6.75,-5.51....And the greatest of these is Love. I Cor. 13:13

          by alliehope on Mon May 23, 2011 at 08:16:22 PM PDT

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          •  I'd heard of these but never such detail; it's (1+ / 0-)
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            extremely sick, and I would go so far as to say perverted. There's more than a grain of perversion in there that I really don't want to think about.

            Those poor kids.

          •  This literally leaves (0+ / 0-)

            sick to my stomach. Leave it to the fundys to come up with an incestuous "sacred vow" without realizing it. I'm sorry, I have to clean my waste paper basket, I've had a small "accident" in it. Purity, {{{{YEESH}}}

            I will push back, rise up, and speak out against all forms of discrimination that plague our community. www.getequal.org

            by teloPariah on Tue May 24, 2011 at 11:12:09 AM PDT

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        •  Wacko adults (0+ / 0-)

          That's the whole object of the exercise, isn't it? If there are no more such adults, how are you going to continue to reap the -riches- rewards of a continuing congregation?

          FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

          by Spoc42 on Tue May 24, 2011 at 06:44:07 AM PDT

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    •  I believe you, and it is sick on so many levels (0+ / 0-)

      I just can't address it here. There isn't enough room in the comments.

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