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  •  Dems worthless - what's the plan to change that? (1+ / 0-)
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    This is the leading left-of-center political activism site on the Web.  If this discussion isn't happening here, then where would it happen?

    We've tried "more, better Democrats," and we see how far that got us.  What do we try next?

    I've been waiting for that discussion to take place here, but all I see is stuff like what Meteor Blades says here:

    "Some Democrats are already on the case. And huzzah to them for not having to have this stuff coaxed out of them by Rachel Maddow and a handful of other reliable people in the media. But more Democrats need to stand up. They should be making the plight of invisible Americans visible. Every day. They want to win elections? That is the way to do it."

    You can't expect the Dems to change until you make it hard for them not to change.  So what's the plan to do so?  Just saying for the 755th time just how disappointed you are in the Democratic Party yet again won't accomplish jack shit.

    If you want to be activists, be activists.  But it's really put-up-or-shut-up time for the Daily Kos universe.  You either want to change things, or you want to talk.  If you want to change things, you need a plan.  What's the plan?

    •  So, what DO we try next? If you've got a... (0+ / 0-)

      ...don't keep it secret. I've personally heard a lot of plans for ditching the Democrats, which, of course, enables the Republicans. Got a plan that doesn't enable Republicans? Because, if you do, I know a lot of people who are eager to try it.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 06:41:23 AM PDT

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      •  A party within a party (0+ / 0-)

        0) A third party of the left obviously won't work.
         - See Nader, 2000
         - Our first-past-the-post system makes it inherently self-defeating, and too much trouble to change that system
         - Actually, I've got an idea for getting around this, but it's hard to imagine real human beings following the script
         - so forget a third party.

        1) Then the only alternative is fixing the Democratic Party.

        2) Next question: what's broken?
         - failure to fight for the interests of working Americans
         - failure to address climate change

        3) Solutions I: Fighting for working Americans: create an identifiable party-within-a-party (PWAP) inside the Democratic Party that would fight for job creation, Social Security and Medicare preservation, increased rights for workers
         - the three P's: primaries, procedure, and party discipline
         - organizers of the PWAP would identify Congresscritters that support the PWAP agenda, seek to get them to identify with the PWAP
         - would identify Congresscritters that undermined the PWAP agenda, especially either (a) relative to their district, or (b) in ways that were publicly visible or otherwise politically problematic
         - would routinely primary the underminers
         - would ultimately seek a working majority of the Dems identifying as PWAP members
         - once there, want to use tools of committee assignments and chairmanships to reward support of PWAP agenda and ensure at least some consequences for DINOs from going too far off the reservation
         - especially want to enforce party discipline to change Senate procedures to either end filibusters or redesign them so the burden of inconvenience is on the minority, and get rid of other procedural obstacles (e.g. make motions to proceed non-filibusterable, end the post-cloture debate requirement)
         - then we won't need 60 freakin' votes to pass a progressive program

        4) Solutions II: climate change
         - reduce payroll tax by cap-and-trade auction revenue
         - if payroll tax eliminated altogether and there's still excess revenue, rebate it to taxpayers on per-capita basis
         - even if a likely Dem voter thinks climate change is bunk, it's no skin off his/her back

        That's my plan.  If you can improve on it, please do - no matter how smart I am (and I'm pretty smart), I'm a lot dumber just by myself than I am when working together with other reasonably smart people.

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