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    suspended based only on the charges, without a conviction. That wouldn't be atypical. I think I see what you're saying though, that a person can be guilty of doing something, in a metaphysical way, whether or not he or she get convicted (or even caught). There are unsolved murders; surely there must be some people out there who allegedly committed murder even though they were never caught. And you are saying they are guilty of murder, even though they weren't convicted. I think that's true in Europe, but not in the United States because of the Constitution.

    I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

    by doc2 on Wed May 25, 2011 at 06:59:09 PM PDT

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    •  What I'm saying isn't metaphysical at all (1+ / 0-)
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      Someone is factually and morally guilty or not from the very moment of the act.  If anything is "metaphysical," it's the legal presumption of innocence.  (And just to be sure I'm making my point, I fully support that presumption IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT -- which is whether the state may impose punishment for the act.)  But the presumption does NOT mean that we're not completely free, as individual people, to decide on the basis of what we know that someone is guilty as hell, even if they haven't been adjudged criminally guilty.

      To put it plainly, if you saw me murdering or assaulting someone you loved, you wouldn't be morally obligated to consider me innocent until I was criminally convicted.

      Still PROUD to be a Democrat!

      by leevank on Wed May 25, 2011 at 08:00:21 PM PDT

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