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  •  Sorry, incorrect. (1+ / 0-)
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    eXtina

    If someone claims the moon is made of cheese is NPR to simply report unquestioningly that the moon is made of cheese?

    If I tell NPR I'm having a hot steamy gay love affair with Paul Ryan, should they report it that I am having a a hot steamy gay love affair with Paul Ryan or that I claim to be having a hot steamy gay love affair with Paul Ryan?

    Important distinctions like this are why we have such words as "alleged" and "supposed".  

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Thu May 26, 2011 at 10:14:45 AM PDT

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    •  We simply disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      The examples you gave, such as love affair, have the potential to affect the personal reputation of somebody else, so of course that should be treated a bit differently.

      Politics is much more subtle, and that's because, for example, in the area of the economy, there are economists who will support what both sides are saying.  I don't think reporting, "JTinDC gave a speech where he said that tax cuts help the economy" (if you were a Republican, for example) needs to be followed with some kind of commentary on the veracity of that.

      If somebody makes a completely unsupported, objectively disprovable factual statement that would be derogatory to another person's reputation, that would absolutely merit some more sensitive treatment.    

      •  Ah, but you proved my point. (1+ / 0-)
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        Only let me adjust it a bit

        JTinDC gave a speech where he said that the biggest problem facing the nation is the massive public debt.

        as opposed to

        JTinDC gave a speech on the biggest problem facing the nation: the massive public debt.

        See the difference? The first example states a fact. The second states as fact what may not be a fact.

        Let me illustrat it once more using quotes directly from the diary.

        American political heavyweights gathered in Washington today. They met to tackle the biggest problem facing the nation: the massive public debt. The country is so deeply in the red with deficits continuing into the foreseeable future that it threatens the future of the economy.

        Here's how someone wanting to report the objective facts whithout interjecting supporting or non-supporting language would write it.

        American political heavyweights gathered in Washington today. They met to tackle what they believe is the biggest problem facing the nation: the massive public debt. According to speakers, organizers, and attendees of the event, the country is so deeply in the red with deficits continuing into the foreseeable future that it threatens the future of the economy.

        The original states opinion as fact. The revision states only facts as facts and leaves opinions stated as opinions without the reporter weighing in with any commentary whatsoever. Does this make sense?

        Many, many economists do not share the opinions and beliefs of the group in question. Reporting on this event doesn't necessarily require that those opposing views be covered, but that the info that is presented is done so in an unbiased manner. The NPR reporter did not report this in an unbiased manner.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Thu May 26, 2011 at 12:18:30 PM PDT

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        •  "Biggest" was a value judgment (1+ / 0-)
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          that NPR probably shouldn't have said.  I agree. NPR is not perfect.  I freely admit that.  the "what they believe" probably should be in there.

          I don't think that warrants a diary saying they've swallowed the Republican line as if they were Fox News.

          As for the rest of it, there is pretty universal recognition among those in power in Washington (like the President) that long term, the projected deficits threaten the country's economic stability.  

          •  I appreciate your conceding most of my points. (0+ / 0-)

            As for universal recognition that the deficit is a problem, yes indeed, there is pretty much all around agreement. However, how to most effectively deal with that is where there is a huge difference.

            The GOP is insistant on more tax breaks as a big part of the solution and there is no evidence that that accomplishes anything other than increasing the deficit. Not once since the Reagan administration has cutting taxes spurred job creation. Not once. All it does it cut revenue so we can't pay for programs that Republicans don't like to begin with.

            And who had exploded the deficit? Reagan and Bush II. Clinton had us on track to have a trillion dollar surplus, but Bush gave that away in tax cuts, two wars, and Medicare part D, none of which were paid for.

            If we do nothing and just let the Bush tax cuts expire it automatically puts us in better fiscal shape. But the GOP not only wants to extend those cuts, they want to cut taxes on the wealthy even further which only further increases the deficit.

            These are not opinions, they are facts. It is vitally important to our democracy that there be made a clear difference between opinions and facts. Any news outlet that fails to make that distinction does a great disservice to the American people.

            Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

            by JTinDC on Thu May 26, 2011 at 03:59:28 PM PDT

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        •  Well said (1+ / 0-)
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          precisely what my objections were

          "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

          by eXtina on Thu May 26, 2011 at 03:23:46 PM PDT

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