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  •  'Clean Coal' commercials making a comeback... (3+ / 0-)

    what ballz these guyz have.

    •  all sorts of ads appearing (1+ / 0-)
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      even on Kos, I see ads stating North America contains largest fuel reserves in the world and that energy sufficiency is possible

      •  Well now, hold it a second (0+ / 0-)

        No one is foolish enough to believe that we don't have a huge "need" currently for oil.  I mean, let's be honest here for a second.  It's one of our primary sources of energy.  Nope...not saying that's a good thing..but gotta be realistic.  Problem we're having right now is that we're getting so much of it from foreign sources, we have a huge dependency on it from them.  

        Who doesn't believe that we should progress exponentially into implementing alternative energy sources in know, wind, solar etc.  And, who doesn't know that as we do this we still have to provide ourselves with available fuel sources much as we hate where it's coming from.  If we can generate more of our own oil and reduce our dependence on that from foreign sources as we work diligently to create and improve the alternative sources, we all win...not just from the price but from the control these contries have over us by holding us hostage to their commodity.

        North America does have a vast amount of oil...and much of it is in the U.S.  I'm not saying we could get it ALL from our own sources...there are limitations to that, of course, if from no other reason than from a national security standpoint.  But, we sure could put a dent in our foreign oil while we transition to the alternatives in a big way.

        That's all I'm sayin'.

        -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

        by r2did2 on Mon May 30, 2011 at 08:02:46 AM PDT

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        •  we already have the technology for renewables (1+ / 0-)
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          We simply don't want to pay for it.

          As for "reducing our dependence on foreign oil" by "drilling it here", that fails for two very basic reasons----

          1. there's not enough of it here to make much of a difference


          2. the reason we haven't drilled it already decades ago is because it's in places that are hard (and therefore expensive) to reach.

          As a society, we will always do what's cheapest to do. And that means we'll just keep on importing oil.

          •  renewables are a viable long range alternative (1+ / 0-)
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            the problem is that the energy companies wield so much influence now that nothing much will be accomplished until they decide it needs to be done. Imagine the US if whale oil processors and buggy whip makers had had the same amount of power that oil companies do today

            •  That's why the US took over from the Brits (4+ / 0-)
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              in the late 19th century, among others. We were able to mechanize while their industry continued depending much more heavily on labor -- because they had short-term interest tied up in not changing their methods of productions.

              That's how empires die -- they become addicted to their own methods. Prediction? Obvious.

          •  Can't argue that, Lenny (0+ / 0-)

            Cost is one of the biggest factors. much is it that we're spending EVERY DAY in Afghanistan and Iraq?  Ah, ha !!!!  I think I've found out where we can get the bucks to do what I'm suggesting here.  

            -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

            by r2did2 on Mon May 30, 2011 at 09:51:36 AM PDT

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            •  Addendum :-) (0+ / 0-)

              I've read a lot about "how much oil does the U.S. really have" on various sites all across the Net.  There's a lot of dispute...environmentalist sites projecting far less than pro-oil guys, of course.  

              Here's a really good site with an extremely good presentation that sounds far more reasonable and valid than just about any other site that has a stake in this discussion.  

              I think there's a L O T of oil in the U.S., but as Lenny said here, bucks is the problem.  Getting to it and so forth would be really expensive if we wanted to use it to significantly slow down our imported crude.  Would it be worth the investment?  That's probably a discussion for a whole other diary, I'm sure.


              -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

              by r2did2 on Mon May 30, 2011 at 10:04:17 AM PDT

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    •  And the prez needs to back off on it also (2+ / 0-)

      All through the presidential campaign, Obama lauded the use of "clean coal".  I don't think it would be such a bad thing if he came out against this now.  Yeah...I know, I know, it'd be something the repubs might very well go after him for ("flip-flopper" and such), but right is right and the people know this isn't a suitable alternative.  I think he'd make more points doing this than staying with his position or, worse yet, staying silent on it.

      IMHO, of course.

      -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

      by r2did2 on Mon May 30, 2011 at 07:54:24 AM PDT

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