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  •  What type of argument did I make, exactly? (6+ / 0-)

    My argument was that people should consider whether they can financially support a child before having one (themselves notwithstanding). YOU suggested some sort of "means-testing" "means-test" was common-sense supplemented by experiential wisdom, on the part of the potential parent.

    Are you suggesting that folks should not take into consideration their financial situation before having children? Whether their situation is fair or equitable does not change what it is.

    •  I took you comment as a call to limit (7+ / 0-)

      based on income. Maybe it was an innocent musing and if so, I'm sorry for stirring the pot. Of course people should consider their ability to provide when having children, but most have their families when they are young and feel that their opportunities aren't limited.

      The new reality is that income has become stagnant and remains that way. What you can expect to make is becoming fixed. We have become boxed in and it's to the detriment to the economy in general.

      "But much to my surprise when I opened my eyes I was the victim of the great compromise." John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue May 31, 2011 at 10:02:04 AM PDT

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    •  You're suggesting an acceptance (5+ / 0-)

      of the idea that impoverished people don't have a right to have kids, rather than asking what we can do to ensure that everyone has this right (and also has the right NOT to have kids).

      As I comment above, human beings have proven over and over in Europe, Mexico, Italy, etc, that we generally don't want more than 1-2 kids. Women given even a small amount of equality tend to shift to the small family model very quickly. There's no need to lecture the poor about family size and "living within means". Support their basic needs by either pushing for better wages/benefits or more programs for child care/contraceptives, and they will make those decisions quite predictably on their own, and family sizes will shrink naturally.

      Many who track overpopulation have been taken aback in the last 30 years at the rate at which women have made those shifts, in fact. Most estimates of global population have been revised down significantly.

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