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  •  Clearly, the Administration believes (0+ / 0-)

    ...that the US is under attack on its own soil.

    That is the only plausible explanation -- and one that is definitely logical.

    •  Granted but not the point (2+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, neroden

      The problem is that oversight is toothless when those doing it are sworn to secrecy.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 01:08:00 PM PDT

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    •  far too generous a reading (1+ / 0-)
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      Betty Pinson

      The administration's greatest fear is a domestic terror attack similar to the 9/11 attacks.  They fear (correctly, I imagine) that this would be a political disaster.

      So they want as much power as possible to stop it.

      Problem is that they are likely shredding the Constitution to do so.  They really care far, far less about individual rights than they do about their political future.

    •  To this concern, I would ask (4+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, Garrett, denise b, wsexson

      Has this ever not been the case? Has there ever been a moment in this nation's history so stable, so replete with domestic tranquility that it was not possible for there to be credible threats to security in any portion of the country or to our government?

      No. This country, like all countries, is wide open to domestic threats to stability and security. It has always been so and it will continue to be so, no matter how much they spy on Americans or clamp down on freedoms.

      I've definitely taken the red pill on this issue. The surveillance state rabbit hole is deep and deeply cynical.

      •  Mmmm-maybe (1+ / 0-)
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        The US has spent the last 10 years on an international murderspree.

        There's a lot of blood revenge coming this way. At least 20 to 30 years worth.

        Under the circumstances, I don't see how the US can keep citizens safe without yanking many of their civil rights.

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