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  •  Why are you afraid? (33+ / 0-)

    What in this diary frightened you?  I believe I reported the event faithfully as something to watch, why do you disagree?

    Every moment in life contains an off ramp. Never be afraid to use it.

    by Adept2u on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 06:31:44 PM PDT

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    •  how about you blog about the floods themselves (3+ / 0-)
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      There have been actual releases, like Vermont Yankee which leaked tritium, should have been decommissioned years ago, and is still running.  That's a disaster waiting to happen and needs more attention.

      Or the floods themselves, which are the real story, and are really damaging real stuff.  You know, news.  Not nothing, with a side order of hysteria.

      I disagree with your tone.  By blogging about this, you're implicitly making the claim that this is more worthy of attention than other things.

      •  Ah I see (27+ / 0-)

        Unfortunately I don't have you around when I decide what interests me to blog about and it's requisite tone.  Should I check in before I hit publish?

        Every moment in life contains an off ramp. Never be afraid to use it.

        by Adept2u on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 07:09:42 PM PDT

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        •  I have to admit, I have had my disagreements (21+ / 0-)

          with you, but when I see someone post a comment like that in a diary like this, I think to myself.

          "Man, that guy just can't catch a break"

          It's a good diary, I tipped and recc'd

          Thanks

          "... the Professional Left, that is simultaneously totally irrelevant and ruining everything" (Glenn Greenwald)

          by ranger995 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 07:22:10 PM PDT

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        •  i agree with eigenlambda (0+ / 1-)
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          you're fear mongering a nuclear disaster when the real news is the floods. You seem excited about it. Like if there was just a small release like at Three Mile Island that everyone would suddenly be on your side. It's a pretty shitty thing to do to hope for a disaster just so that people will agree with you.

          for the record, i live in an area that would be impacted in the case of a disaster. I wouldn't be defending the plant if i didn't have complete confidence in the plant, it's staff, local regulations, and our community.

          •  What? You can't put floods and nukes together? (3+ / 0-)
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            You can't "conceive" that IF the flood water mixes with poison radiation water from Nukes ...there is NOT a problem?

            Facts about the very real potential for this to get much worse, for a much longer timeframe - is NOT "fear mongering" - but facts.  Or maybe you just don't want to know.

            •  i've lived here my whole life (0+ / 0-)

              the river floods. end of story. We have the resources AND more than enough warning time. This is fear mongering plain and simple. There is no nuclear disaster to talk about.. and yet you talk about it as though you know it's  going to happen.

              you can't even begin to compare the nebraska plant to the japanese one.

              Nebraska isn't prone to large scale earthquakes.
              Nebraska has ZERO chance of tsunami
              Nebraska has the time to prepare for flooding
              Nebraska's plant doesn't require active cooling after the reacter has been shut down. which, for the record is currently shut down for refueling.

              Nebraska has had the benefit of being post fukushima to prepare contingency plans in worse case scenarios.

              There is only two things that can cause a nuclear disaster
              1) neglect
              2) a tornado.

               and at least with a tornado you have the benefits of possibly hours of "tornado watch" status and at the very least more than a few minutes with a "tornado warning" to shut down the reacter

              so can i put together a river flooding and nuclear disaster? Hell no. not with as much time as we've had to prepare.

              •  If it can happen - it will. Why take chances? (0+ / 0-)

                Climate change is not going away anytime soon.  

                These "record" events of nature will continue in many forms and we humans are powerless to stop them - especially with lack of political will due to easy cash - which comes at great cost to the rest of us.

                We don't want any more poison power!

                p.s.  Guess with a "tornado" only - you can sit and watch the destruction - then breath contamination later?  We humans are so stupid to think we can control nuke poison - we still can't even store their radioactive crap!

                No thanks!

                •  If it can happen it will? Seriously? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Do even go outside? An airplane might crash on your head.

                  Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

                  by davidwalters on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:08:38 AM PDT

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                  •  he's baaaacccckkkk... more of the same, eh David. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Facts are facts.  Nukes are not safe - wherever they land.

                    TOKYO — Japan has more than doubled its initial estimate of radiation released from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant in the week after the March 11 tsunami, ahead of the launch of an official probe Tuesday.

                    The nation's watchdog, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), now says it believes 770,000 terabecquerels escaped into the atmosphere in the first week -- compared to its earlier estimate of 370,000 terabecquerels.

                    The findings were released on the eve of the first meeting Tuesday of an independent 10-member academic and expert panel that will look into the causes of the world's worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl a quarter-century ago.

                    The group's leader, a Tokyo University researcher on human error, Yotaro Hatamura, said at the meeting that

                    "nuclear power has higher energy density and is dangerous. It was a mistake to consider it safe".
                    http://www.rawstory.com/...
                    •  why do you mock him? (0+ / 0-)

                      he's right

                      it's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door...you step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's not knowing where you might be swept off to.

                      everything we do requires risk. even stepping out our door we expose ourselves to the sun, wind, cold, random meteors. Quantum fissures in the space time continuem. if you are so distrustful of nuclear power surely you must be against CERN'S LHC because it could possibly create black holes. We wouldn't want to do that. We should all agree with you. We should cut off nuclear power as well as all fossil fuels and HOPE that the magical fairies will suddenly make solar and wind infinitely more efficient.

                      •  She can't discuss...it's always emphatic (0+ / 0-)

                        "I'm right because I'm right". There is no use discussing anything with here. The other anti-nuclear folks at least want to have a discussion, albeit a passionate one.

                        Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

                        by davidwalters on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:09:52 PM PDT

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                      •  Who is mocking whom here? (1+ / 0-)
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                        Facts are facts.  If nukes were so "safe" taxpayers would not have to pick up the bill that insurance AND the companies that build them ....won't pay.

                        No magical faries needed - follow Germany's lead -  other countries already are.  So is GE and the military, etc.  

                        GE just needs to keep their taxpayer funded poison power "cash cow" in place - while they build alternate energy solutions today - to parse out slowly while they figure out how to control their "monthly rents".  

                        If GE gets it - why can't nukers?  We need better solutions than killing nukes for a better future for ALL.

                        Everyone is a prisoner of his own experiences. No one can eliminate prejudices - just recognize them.
                        ~ Edward R. Murrow

                        I am aware and PROUD to be ANTI-Nuke.  No problem!

              •  Goodness knows Neglect is Purely Impossible. nt (0+ / 0-)

                We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

                by Into The Woods on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:50:27 PM PDT

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          •  Changed my mind...you Both get moar donuts (1+ / 0-)
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            For adhominem jive, with no basis, and absolutely scurrilous accusations.

            Such rhetoric is too typical of Chamber of Commerce and industry line and tactics, and should be just as subject to HR as bringing "right wing talking points".

            Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

            by Radical def on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:36:16 AM PDT

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      •  You make A LOT of assumptions (n/t) (4+ / 0-)
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        "Kenyan-Muslim-Communistic-Expialidocious!"

        by chmood on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 07:09:52 PM PDT

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      •  "how about you blog about...." (21+ / 0-)

        How about you!

        If you perceive a lack in a topic you think deserves more coverage, there is nothing stopping you from writing a diary about it.

      •  ummm...wasn't it (7+ / 0-)

        the tsunami and the flooding, not the quake, that took out fukushima?

        so, you were saying?

        oh wait...since vermont yankee fucked up hard, we shouldn't even think about possible dangers from ft. calhoun?  what?

        It's complicated. - Desperate Housewives

        by Cedwyn on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:38:11 PM PDT

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        •  yes it was the tsunami that caused the disaster (0+ / 0-)

          a sudden flood of water coming at near the speed of sound.

          this is a river flooding a little more than it normally does. but it's still slow, gradual compared to tsunami. You can prepare for a river flooding. That's an important difference.

          •  If You've Seen One Nuclear Plant Disaster, You've (2+ / 0-)
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            seen one nuclear plant disaster.

            The big fast wall of water is one way (after the earthquake started the job at Fukushima.)

            Given the cited lack of compliance on flood safety issues by this very plant and the consequences of being wrong, the default should be to not assume all is well and no danger exists.  

            "Trust us" from the nuclear power industry is just not something the public is willing to listen to right now.

            We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

            by Into The Woods on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:54:01 PM PDT

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      •  How about you blog about them. (3+ / 0-)
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        Sounds like you have some knowledge.  This may not be as 'worthy' a topic to you, but it is to me and obviously several other folks here.

      •  How about YOU blog about the floods? Or Yankee? (4+ / 0-)

        The diary makes no claims, implicit or otherwise, except that this could potentially be a problem, if a worst case scenario should ensue...which is neither hysterical in presentation, nor "nothing" in terms of potential implications.

        Because you seem to at least acknowledge problems with "some" nukes, I'll restrain myself from HR'ing the "hysteria" slur, this time, but personally, I'm getting fed up with this kind of jive, and am no longer inclined to "tolerate" it.

        Either keep it factual, and bring documentation to support your position, and drop the adhominem slurs, or stfu and gtfo.

        Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

        by Radical def on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:26:57 AM PDT

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