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View Diary: NO, Anthony Weiner, I DO NOT forgive you! (114 comments)

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  •  Weiner never asked DailyKos to defend him (3+ / 0-)

    or look for a "smoking gun".  In fact, when he was very obviously desperate for the subject to change, yet no one here got it or wanted to do so, calling for ridiculous investigations of his stalkers.  Wouldn't he be calling for that if it made sense?  DKos should blame itself for its behavior.

    How does this hurt progressives?  Marital transgressions span political lines.  Who was Weiner convincing besides the choir anyway?  He's great but replaceable as a self-appointed spokesperson until the scandal seems like stale news and he can speak up again.

    •  Get Real. Weiner Said He Hired An (2+ / 0-)
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      attorney to look into it.  Then talked about how people can photoshop photos etc.  What a liar full of misinformation and misleading statements.

      But you're free to enable his lying.

      When and if he "speaks up again" only fools will believe him.

      250 is the new 180

      by kerplunk on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:37:44 AM PDT

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    •  He said he was hacked, and people around (3+ / 0-)

      here took him at his word and were even calling for the FBI to jump in on his behalf.  People around here, because they had his back, went to very great lengths to "prove" he was hacked.  Knowing full well that his base was tying itself in knots defending him, he STILL couldn't come clean.

      He's pathetic.

      •  He did say he was hacked.We did (I did) take (1+ / 0-)
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        him at his word.  I am rec'ing for that.  
        But he never asked anyone to look into it.  We just had good reason not to believe Breitbart and Friends, and we looked into it.  We looked into it with wild abandon.  

        He was misleading.  He said he didn't send the photo, but said he couldn't be sure it wasn't him.  I took that to mean it was him, but he didn't send it.
        He did come clean.   It just took him a week -- a week we spent looking for evidence and defense of the indefensible.  One week is really not so bad, and if he hadn't come clean, we'd have more upside down dick pictures on the rec list. (Thank God he came clean!)
        Is the egg on our face now?  Sorta, but this doesn't undo what Breitbart did to Acorn or Sherrod.  Now I just don't trust Breitbart or politicians who are behaving squirmy over a possible sex scandal.

        "On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps...of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again."

        by middleagedhousewife on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:56:40 AM PDT

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        •  Agree with most of this (1+ / 0-)
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          But why didn't people here take their cue from Weiner who wasn't asking for help proving he was hacked or calling law enforcement?

          Yes, he was misleading.  Why shouldn't he be?  He was caught doing something a married man wasn't supposed to but thought he could maybe get away with it if he lied.  I see your handle is middleagedhousewife so I feel a little compelled to point out that I don't think a married guy should do this.  I just  think lying about it is kind of understandable once he already screwed up.

          I think dailykos community set itself up to have egg on its face, particularly after, as you point out, the lack of "certitude" strongly suggested Weiner did have something to hide and continuing to allege he was framed was about as risky as his own behavior.

          Agree also on Breitbart and Sherrod; plenty of reason to be skeptical of whatever he says.  But people should have watched Weiner for cues as to how confident he was he could bust Breitbart for smearing him.  Not very confident.  It was obvious.  He was desperate to change the subject.

        •  That's not the way the internet works. (1+ / 0-)
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          He knows it, and so do you: nobody has to "ask for help" when announcing they've been hacked.  Their supporters AUTOMATICALLY set about redressing the grievance.  

          Weiner knew perfectly well the netroots -- massive supporters of his for years -- would immediately swarm his claim that he was hacked, and he left those people to twist in the wind for a week while they tied themselves in knots proving his "innocence" and made fools of themselves in front of everyone they were attempting to persuade.

          There's no way he didn't know this would happen, and was happening, and he let it run for a week.  He left his loyal supporters flapping in the breeze because he thought he could still save his own face.  Lots of people are really pissed about that.

      •  exactly! (0+ / 0-)

        If one of us is denied civil rights, all of us are denied civil rights.

        by SeaTurtle on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:58:20 AM PDT

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      •  No. People here are pathetic. (0+ / 0-)

        Why were they going to great lengths to prove he was hacked?  Did Weiner ask anyone here to help?  Wasn't it very clear he just wanted the story to go away and didn't really want an investigation?  The rightwing was calling for an FBI investigation because they correctly sensed he was lying.  Why was the DKos community so foolish as to echo their calls?  Because Weiner said he was hacked?  If he was eager to prove that, he'd have called the FBI himself quite obviously.

        •  So Weiner had no idea of the consequences of (1+ / 0-)
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          saying "I was hacked" -- that his supporters would obviously take this as a cue to prove he was hacked?  Rubbish.  That's just another black mark against Weiner.

          •  You're cherrypicking his cues (0+ / 0-)

            He said he was hacked but also said it happens all the time, is not a big deal, and he please wants to get back to talking about issues.  Then he mysteriously said the picture might even be him.  Why on Earth did people here continue to think Weiner had nothing to hide?  Instead, they revealed themselves to be every bit as kneejerk partisan as RedState.  Our guy is always innocent of rumored misdeeds, yours is always guilty.

            He lied about his own personal misconduct by claiming to be hacked.  Can't blame him.  In hindsight, yeah, should have confessed it all immediately.  But if he thought he could leave doubt, why wouldn't he?

            •  I have NO IDEA why people here (3+ / 0-)
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              continued to think he had nothing to hide.  I am as perplexed about that as you are.

              Clearly, when he didn't FLATLY DENY that the original underpants shot was him, it HAD TO BE him.  Anyone with even half an ability to read between the lies should have been able to discern that Weiner saying "Not sure if it's me or not" meant that there WERE underwear shots of him out there somewhere, and chances are, this was one of them.

              Me, I learned my lesson as an Edwards supporter.  I've come to the conclusion that if there's a rumour going around about sexual shenanigans, the safer bet is that it's TRUE, not that it ISN'T true because he's a good guy and he's one of ours.

              Why would he think he could leave doubt, though?  Why, as a Democratic Congressman trying to take down a Supreme Court conservative, did he think he could leave any doubt?  Surely he had to have known the GOP opposition researchers would find anything and everything that was out there.  It's his stupidity in thinking he could get away with it that torques me the most.

          •  Why yes! He obviously has no clue how (0+ / 0-)

            to even send a private email!!  As if that hasn't ever happened to anyone?  So, no. When lying about sex, all reason is lost to begin with, but obviously he's not as internet savvy as you want him to be.

            "A lie repeated may be accepted as fact, but the truth repeated becomes self evident." -elonifer skyhawk

            by Fireshadow on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:02:15 PM PDT

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        •  I really don't understand your thinking here: (2+ / 0-)
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          Did Weiner ask anyone here to help?

          The motive behind people trying to help came from a sense that the media was running with a story without doing a full "fact check," or was holding back pieces of the story.  Isn't this supposed to be one of the strengths of the netroots?  That the fourth estate can now be held accountable and even assisted by "the people"?  That if there is a media blackout, the internet allows the people to distribute information outside of the media?

          Is it really your philosophy that people should hold off on helping only until they are specifically asked?  You really think that the people who took the Congressman at his word that he was "hacked" acted in error in trying to investigate any information that could provide evidence of the hack (an investigation that by the very nature of the crime, needs to be conducted as quickly as possible so that digital evidence isn't wiped before it is discovered)?

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