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  •  I've known a few politicians in my day (1+ / 0-)
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    I regret to say that this kind of behavior is not rare, if not common.

    This is a political community.  I can have personal compassion for Weiner, who is obviously a sick man.  But from a political perspective, I have to agree with the diarist.  The idea that it's a black/white question is ridiculous.

    I hope Weiner is able to overcome his issues, and that he and his wife find a way to a healthy long marriage.

    Politically?  So far as I'm concerned, he's toast.  I will never take him seriously again.

    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:45:44 AM PDT

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      that Weiner can no longer be an effective communicator or a fighter for these important causes?  Absent hard data and the passage of time, all that's left is a moral judgment, an assertion that this is the "type of thing" that either does or should ruin a politician.  Since a lot of people have survived far worse, it's definitely too early to say he's toast.  All that's left, then, is a backhanded moral judgment.

      And, in any event, I think if we're not going to pass moral judgment, we should do what we can to make sure he's not toast, by defending his political value.  

      Otherwise, don't try to have it both ways, by trying to avoid being a neo-puritan while pushing Weiner out the door by making inchoate complaints about "politics."  This is the thing Weiner himself criticized the senate for during the public option fight, when senators would passively say "i can't support it because we don't have the votes."  This argument is equally circular.  

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 02:23:01 PM PDT

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      •  I've been involved in politics my whole life (1+ / 0-)
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        It is not my job to rehabilitate Weiner.  It's his job.  If he pulls it off, fine.  But I'm not going to enable his process.  Politics is a tough business.  I have no time to waste on weaklings.

        As to your neo-puritan comment, you don't know me.  I don't give a shit about what Weiner has done, from a moral standpoint.  But from a political standpoint, it calls into question his ability to be effective.

        If you want to waste your time defending him, go to it.  You are entitled to use the precious time you have available for politics and advocacy in any way you like.

        Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

        by aravir on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 05:12:52 AM PDT

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