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  •  I disagree about your assessment of private/charte (0+ / 0-)

    You are mistaking private schools for the private schools that exist now. Why are idealistic teachers necessarily going to do a worse job than some beauracratic school board?  You think school board members do not have their own interests?

    Why is a charter school riskier than a bad school in a bad neighborhood? If a neighborood is happy with their public school, they wont be seeking a charter school. It's only in underperforming areas, that demand for charteer school goes up. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood and the elementary school got markedly better after it became a charter school. If your school sucks, why wouldnt you want to risk something to get better?

    I dont see why teachers cant move from school to school for better pay the same way a highly reputed coach is sought by schools. If there is a superstar math teacher, a public school own management shold have enough leeway to pay whatever they deem fit to attract that teacher.

    you can call me praveen.

    by pravin on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 08:45:28 PM PDT

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    •  The school board (0+ / 0-)

      hires people who actually do the detailed managment level work.

      Over time and even in a big city with plenty of poor families, considerable expertise is built up.

      Many urban schools once were filled with Jewish and other students who became doctors, lawyers, businesspeople, etc. The schools in the big cities used books bought by the big cities.

      •  One famous graduate of Atlanta's public schools (1+ / 0-)
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        Martin Luther King, Jr. began his education at the Yonge Street Elementary School in Atlanta, Georgia. Following Yonge School, he was enrolled in David T. Howard Elementary School. He also attended the Atlanta University Laboratory School and Booker T. Washington High School. Because of his high score on the college entrance examinations in his junior year of high school, he advanced to Morehouse College without formal graduation from Booker T. Washington. Having skipped both the ninth and twelfth grades, Dr. King entered Morehouse at the age of fifteen.

        In 1948, he graduated from Morehouse College with a B.A. degree in Sociology. That fall, he enrolled in Crozer Theological Seminary in Chester, Pennsylvania. While attending Crozer, he also studied at the University of Pennsylvania. He was elected president of the senior class and delivered the valedictory address; he won the Pearl Plafker Award for the most outstanding student; and he received the J. Lewis Crozer fellowship for graduate study at a university of his choice. He was awarded a Bachelor of Divinity degree from Crozer in 1951.

        In September of 1951, Martin Luther King began doctoral studies in Systematic Theology at Boston University. He also studied at Harvard University. His dissertation, "A Comparison of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Wieman," was completed in 1955, and the Ph.D. degree from Boston, a Doctorate of Philosophy in Systematic Theology, was awarded on June 5, 1955.

      •  One famous graduate of Chicago's public schools (1+ / 0-)
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        A product of Chicago public schools, Mrs. Obama studied sociology and African-American studies at Princeton University.

        Her father "was a pump operator for the Chicago Water Department, and despite being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at a young age, he hardly ever missed a day of work."

    •  A charter school is worse (0+ / 0-)

      because of the cynical people who run it. In poor neighborhoods here, failing for-profit charters infest poor neighborhoods, preying on fearful parents, but not offering them a better alternative — which they don't find out until it's too late. And I would not describe the underpaid, often underqualified teachers as particularly "idealistic." Usually, they are just desperate and willing to take an underpaid job at a poorly run school, which most inner city charters are. By and large, here in Ohio, where they are pandemic, these schools warehouse poor kids while private individuals suck up profit from our limited education dollars.

      I don't know where you live, but most upper-middle-class neighborhoods — in fact, virtually every one here in Ohio — has outstanding schools and would probably slaughter anyone who suggested turning their neighborhood school — which is undoubtedly succeeding at a high level — into a charter.

      Jennifer Brunner for Governor of Ohio 2014

      by anastasia p on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 10:33:38 PM PDT

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      •  Who is saying get rid of public schools? (0+ / 0-)

        if public schools work, more power to that neighborhood. But the extreme fear of any alternative when YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO HELP A POOR KID RIGHT NOW TO FIND A BETTER SCHOOL means you are the one limiting opoportunities with your outlook on education. How is your approach going to help that kid right now? At least my approach will help that family find some school and we give them the money. How to keep such private non profit or charter school or whatever alternative in check so that they honor diversity and income levels is something for another discussion. But you can';t just shut off opportunities for the poor while the progressive community cannot get its act together in fixing schools in poor neighborhoods even in states and communities they control.

        you can call me praveen.

        by pravin on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 05:27:47 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry for the late replay (0+ / 0-)

      I was an idealistic teacher once, and I have meet people who went to charter schools. I know first hand, and let me tell you this: idealistic teachers WILL do a worse job in general. They have no experience. You cannot be taught many things about teaching. You must experience them. And many are simply not prepared for what is coming.

      I know a student whose charter school was destroyed in mid term. Why? Because the inexperienced teachers quit. They couldn't deal with the number of social problems connected with the DC poor neighborhoods.

      Most middle class White people have no idea of what problems they are going to face. It never occurs to them that some kids won't have cloths or will not have eaten by the time they reach the classroom. Or what is it like to have several people you know murdered.

      You may like your charter school, and that is okay, but you yourself say that it is in an upper-middle class neighborhood. That is a different dynamic. With upper class kids, the chances of success is much higher.

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