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  •  My fear is that this (5+ / 0-)
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    is a dirty trick that can work.  If it is, we gotta fight back.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 10:35:40 AM PDT

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    •  work how? as in, these scam-candidates (5+ / 0-)

      might beat the real ones?

      What's the scenario in which that works?

      If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

      by AnnieJo on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 10:42:52 AM PDT

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      •  Simple (14+ / 0-)

        We would have a democratic primary with two candidates, one fraud, one real.  No republican primary cause nobody puts their name up.  So, all the republicans can vote in the Dem primary for the bogus democrat, while the dems vote for the real dem.  Basically, for the dem to win the recall election, they will have to win a general election twice--once in the primary, once in the general.  More-so, democratic voters have more problems getting off work and such.  Our team simply doesn't get folks out as much in primaries as the republicans do.  So...we would actually be more likely to lose in the bogus primary than we would in the general.

        So...yeah, there is a chance that a bogus dem candidate could really fuck things up, but it is entirely remedied by putting up a bogus republican.  Simply put, the republicans would need to play defense, not just offense.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 10:50:30 AM PDT

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        •  I don't think it's quite so simple (10+ / 0-)

          for the GOP to build, in one month's time, sufficient momentum to explain to all their partisans that they have to cross party-lines and vote for a Democratic candidate because, heh-heh, it's a clever sneaky thing to do.  There are plenty of Wisconsin Republicans who will be turned off by such a campaign.  It's a much bigger hurdle than getting partisans out to vote for an incumbent under their own party's banner.

          Meanwhile, the Dems already have boots on the ground and passionate phone-banking and need introduce no new names, just tweak the script to tell people they'll have to come out and vote for their wonderful candidate in two elections -- and that it's even more important because the Republicans are pulling dirty tricks.  

          Not only will we lose that talking point if we sink to their level, but... well, I really-really-really don't want my party to sink to that level.  

          If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

          by AnnieJo on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 11:05:37 AM PDT

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          •  I trust the local officials to suss out your (5+ / 0-)
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            thoughts on this.  But here is my worry.  I love Wisconsin, but I don't think Wisconsinites have figured out that they are not dealing with the same republican party of old.  I am simply not sure about this

            There are plenty of Wisconsin Republicans who will be turned off by such a campaign.

            If nothing else, Democrats in Wisconsin have succeeded by playing hardball, against Republicans who are also playing hardball.

            As for messaging, all the republicans need to do is have one of their corporate partners put up ads that say

            A vote for (insert stooge name) in the democratic primary is a vote for republican candidate (insert name of republican being recalled).  It is time to for Wisconsin Republicans to stand up Democratic dirty tricks and vote rigging.  Its time for Republicans to stand up for our state senators, our state and the USA from the over-reach of Union loving, socialists seeking to overturn the will of the Wisconsin voters.

            Yeah, its all bullshit.  But it might work.

            "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

            by Empty Vessel on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 11:17:34 AM PDT

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      •  It postpones the general election by a month (8+ / 0-)

        and gives them a greater chance to bring in huge out of state corporate donations for ads to slam their opponents. That's how they won the fall 2010 elections and they know it's their only chance in the recall.  A July 12th general election is too quick for them to steal by corporate funded attack and slander.

        "We have to remain constantly vigilant to prevent raids by those who would selfishly exploit our common heritage for their private gain." Harry Truman

        by Helena Handbag on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 11:20:23 AM PDT

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    •  We always have to be ready to fight back, because (7+ / 0-)

      if this shows nothing else, the enemy is not willing to concede anything without a fight.

      The next time your house is on fire--call a libertarian.

      by pollbuster on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 10:48:13 AM PDT

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