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View Diary: BREAKING: Senate Vote Just Now Shows Who Stands With the Banks Against The People (300 comments)

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  •  The "average voter" (0+ / 0-)

    votes on superficial appearances as created by the net result of advertising and personal charisma.  I couldn't give less of a shit.  I'm talking about reality.

    The conundrum of stable democracy: Reform requires the consent of the corrupt.

    by Troubadour on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 07:02:11 PM PDT

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    •  Medicare is real to the average voter (0+ / 0-)

      Optics do matter. Are voters being superficial when they got mad at republicans voting (even symbolically) to turn medicare into a voucher system? In reality that vote made no difference, it wouldn't have ended medicare but voters were angry anyway. Look what happened to Jane Corwin.

      •  Yeah, but we could use Medicare against Goopers. (0+ / 0-)

        What is the GOP going to do in this case - run against a bank amendment they voted for?  I'm sure it would be perfectly reasonable to run primary candidates against those whose records clearly show they're on the wrong side, but quite a few Democratic Senators are just from states where you have to be a player to get in the game (e.g., New York).

        The conundrum of stable democracy: Reform requires the consent of the corrupt.

        by Troubadour on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 07:34:43 PM PDT

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        •  Vote enough for bad policies (0+ / 0-)

          and voters will take you out of the game. I understand its part of the game, but I believe voters don't have the time to figure out what would and wouldn't of have passed.

          I don't believe they care anymore, they want to look at their records and have a good idea where they stand on the issues. When they vote for the banks it looks like its more about their rich contributors than the average voter.

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