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  •  Your data are lacking (2+ / 0-)
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    You choose to list crash rates based on hours flown.  This is only meaningful if you also include the actual or expected flying times.  If commercial airliners crash at 1% the rate of F-16s, but fly 200 times as many hours, the danger is MUCH higher from commercial airliners.  And what about passengers per flying hour, or more grimly, deaths per flying hour?

    Selective use of statistics reveals either a deliberate deception or a fundamental lack of knowledge of how to use and interpret them.  It's a lose-lose.

    The Founding Fathers were a bunch of East Coast liberals

    by ImaJoeBob on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 10:57:44 PM PDT

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    •  Interpretation varies on location. (0+ / 0-)

      Only limited areas are under military training fly zones. An analysis for an area outside those zones does not apply to this zone.

      I'm writing about where I live. That should have been clear to you, but I guess that's not the case.

      "All war is stupid" - JFK

      by jorogo on Thu Jun 09, 2011 at 07:16:24 AM PDT

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      •  Again, the data are lacking (0+ / 0-)

        It's very clear you're not actually writing about where you live - you're writing about the F-16.  You don't even provide basic comparatives for your supposedly high risk area.  You're using where you live and a narrow, deliberately deceptive set of data to spin your argument to appear that it's about where you live, not the fact that you simply don't like the "inconvenience" of the noisier F-16 in your backyard.

        Selective statistics is just sophisticated lying.

        The Founding Fathers were a bunch of East Coast liberals

        by ImaJoeBob on Thu Jun 09, 2011 at 11:06:18 AM PDT

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        •  I think it's clear where I live; (0+ / 0-)

          find the fresh crater, go southeast a couple miles.

          As for basic comparatives, one stat that's unavailable is F-16 flight hours broken down by training location - and gee, I wonder why - that would complete a statistical probability calculation. Only total hours are released.

          But we do know that over 18 F-16's have crashed at Luke since 1998, doing the same maneuvers they do here.

          It doesn't take a genius to conclude there will be crashes here, in Wisconsin, so long as F-16's train here.

          "All war is stupid" - JFK

          by jorogo on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 10:23:05 AM PDT

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