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  •  This is a great topic for discussion (1+ / 0-)
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    Meteor Blades

    Unfortunately I am at work now so I can't take the time to review your diary and provide input. I'll come back to it later this evening if you plan to continue the discussion in this diary for more than an hour or two. Thanks.

    Parties do not lead revolutions. They follow them. And then only when forced to. ~Joe Bageant

    by tgypsy on Mon Jun 13, 2011 at 04:42:52 PM PDT

    •  Yes, please come back... (1+ / 0-)
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      tgypsy

      ...even if I have packed it in by then, your input would be appreciated.

      •  This will be a very long process (0+ / 0-)

        I've read both George Lakoff and Jeffrey Feldman (who had a blog called frameshop - not sure if there's a conflict with that and your group name) and I agree with what both authors are trying to get at - liberals/progressives need to understand how to convey our message in a way that resonates. Feldman is easier to read and understand, Lakoff can be ponderous.

        With regards to your It's great to be able to talk to friends and relatives using progressive framing, but beyond that, I think that it's essential that we begin to think bigger than that. I understand that we need to start somewhere but to be truly effective, we have to find the courage to to push into the public forum by participating in city councils and local Democratic party committees - and even running for office, especially at the local level. That's what the conservative movement has done and continues to do - and very well at that.

        What are your thoughts for longer term goals for this group?

        Parties do not lead revolutions. They follow them. And then only when forced to. ~Joe Bageant

        by tgypsy on Mon Jun 13, 2011 at 11:00:41 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, it will. (1+ / 0-)
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          David Kaib

          I think that conservative get their message into the media for 2 reasons:
          1. They own the media; and
          2. They have a consistent message that is easily picked up by lazy media.

          Not much we can do about the first, but media will continue to be lazy, and any message that gains critical mass with the public will get picked up.  And as your tagline suggests, the politicians will start to say things once enough of their constituents are saying them.

          I did not mean to suggest that talking to friends and neighbors in a consistent manner was the goal, only that if we got no further than that, it would still be progress compared to where we are now.  Obviously we want more.

          It is not my objective to foster more activism, though I hope that will come from other efforts.  My objective is to better arm the activists we do have with tested framing and messaging.  But to the extent that our non-activist supporters are better armed with language, they become more "activist" in their personal conversations.

          Long term, I would like to see the group grow to the point where it can handle local issues as well.  The low-hanging fruit is in the national issues.  Most of us have nearby Congressmen who voted to kill Medicare, and we can all use similar framing to go after them.  But if there are eventually enough members from a particular state, there is no reason why this group could not take that on those state's issues as well.

          Thanks for your input, it is helpful!

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