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    the opposite has increased reliance on Russian natural gas which is why all the pipeline building is going on. How does this increase Germany's energy independence if it's totally married to non-German sources of energy (Russian, in this case)?

    It does or can reduce pollution but it also has institutionalized the pollution at another level by the use of, further construction for, natural gas plants.

    There is an illusion that all one has to do is build enough wind turbines and one's problems are solved. The Germans and Danes have found out that without real base load power available via hydro or nuclear, it's just not happening.

    So what we see, at least with Germany and surely the Swiss with regards to nuclear is that they will simply "export" their nuclear energy needs to Poland, the Czech Republic and France which are in the process of building up their nuclear.

    Of course we really won't know for sure. NPR just yesterday or Friday did some interesting reporting on this from Germany and how their system operators and other experts are counting now on most fossil internally and nuclear and hydro externally.


    Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

    by davidwalters on Sun Jun 12, 2011 at 12:31:08 PM PDT

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    •  I certainly understand that Germany (0+ / 0-)

      will burn more natural gas in the short run, while they install more solar panels and wind turbines, and work on other sources of renewable energy.  I'm sure that German politicians understand that the Russian natural gas is bound to run out someday, and that the Russians can cut it off any time they think it's to their advantage.  I do not believe that the Germans intend to rely on Russian gas (or their own coal) indefinitely.  Germany has a lot of solar and wind resources that are going to waste because the equipment to capture that energy hasn't been set up yet.  

      Renewable energy brings national security.      -6.25, -6.05

      by Calamity Jean on Mon Jun 13, 2011 at 09:51:30 AM PDT

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      •  In the long run too. As load *increases* (0+ / 0-)

        Calamity, gas gets locked in. They have to have the back up to both and wind or overbuild the wind, which only drives the costs up and up. There simply is no opposition in the massive gas industry and lobby to more wind or solar. You'd think there would be, but there isn't.

        Speaking of external costs, construction of, and running for, natural gas turbines which they've been "building like crazy", are not included in any study of wind costs that I've ever seen.

        Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

        by davidwalters on Mon Jun 13, 2011 at 02:50:20 PM PDT

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