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  •  It breaks my heart (5+ / 0-)

    Guys, it's not true. It would be a great story if it was true, but it ain't.

    Mrs. Santorum even wrote a book about the miscarriage of their "child" and about how hard it was to go through that as Rick was trying to outlaw abortion on the Senate floor. Obviously she wouldn't have written that book if it was an abortion.

    Read the WaPo article about how they hugged the dead fetus when they brought it home. Super creepy. But not, sadly, hypocritical.

    OK? Can we stop the lies? Please?

    Por-choice is right and true, we don't need lies on our side.

    •  this ain't no miscarriage. (2+ / 0-)

      "She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant and allowed doctors to give her the drug Pitocin to speed the birth.[11]"

      Republicons want Wall St. fat cats to hold the corners of YOUR safety net!

      by stagemom on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:23:37 PM PDT

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      •  Here's the full quote from NYT (5+ / 0-)

        "The childbirth in 1996 was a source of terrible heartbreak -- the couple were told by doctors early in the pregnancy that the baby Karen was carrying had a fatal defect and would survive only for a short time outside the womb. According to Karen Santorum's book, ''Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum,'' she later developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant. After resisting at first, she allowed doctors to give her the drug Pitocin to speed the birth. Gabriel lived just two hours.

         What happened after the death is a kind of snapshot of a cultural divide. Some would find it discomforting, strange, even ghoulish -- others brave and deeply spiritual. Rick and Karen Santorum would not let the morgue take the corpse of their newborn; they slept that night in the hospital with their lifeless baby between them. The next day, they took him home. ''Your siblings could not have been more excited about you!'' Karen writes in the book, which takes the form of letters to Gabriel, mostly while he is in utero. ''Elizabeth and Johnny held you with so much love and tenderness. Elizabeth proudly announced to everyone as she cuddled you, 'This is my baby brother, Gabriel; he is an angel.' ''

        I vote for ghoulish, but it sure doesn't sound like an abortion.

        •  Whatever the truth of the story (10+ / 0-)

          Ricky would remove the choice from other women who were carrying a fetus with a fatal defect.  My cousin was one of those women. SHe was told in the 5th month thst she needed an abortion because her fetus was anencephalic, she wa prone to pre-eclampsia, and ther was no point carrying a non-viable fetus  when the pregnancy put her life and health at risk.  She was Catholic and follwoed church teachings and carried it for another two months, whereupon they did a C section. SHe also left the church shortly thereafter.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:44:02 PM PDT

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        •  As much as I hate the Santorum's politics (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't think that Karen Santorum had much reason to lie. She might be a jerk, but I assume that she really wanted to baby and wouldn't have willingly aborted it. Once miscarriage started, though, she might well have used drugs to speed up the inevitable.

          The important point, though, was that it was HER decision to speed up a delivery she knew was going to result in stillbirth. That's the fundamental nature of reproductive choice.

          Unless you have a functional uterus, you can express your  opinions all you want, but you should shouldn't be making rules for women of child-bearing years.

          Obama: At least he gives a good speech.

          by Permanent Republican Minority on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51:22 PM PDT

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        •  The timeline is a bit confusing (0+ / 0-)

          the NYT article doesn't make clear what the proximity was between "she later developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant[,]" and this says nothing about how she went into labor.  

          I think under Santorum's definition in the Schiavo case, inducing labor knowing the fetus/child couldn't survive at that time would constitute taking a life, and he closed off the idea that it would be justified to save the life of the mother.  The argument in the story turns on inducing (or speeding up) labor pre-viability, which definitely happened.  Had there been no abnoramlities or risk to the mother, and labor was sped-up pre-viability with no provisions for post-natal care, under his definitions, that would be an abortion, and since he has gone on record as saying a 20-week old fetus would be conscious of pain (quite the memory on that guy), it's an especially cruel abortion.  I don't think Santorum recognizes the distinction between helping along a miscarriage in progress and having an abortion, especially since he's committed to the notion that women are childbearing vessels with no independent interest in their life or health.  He's a hypocrite no matter the actual timeline.

          "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

          by Loge on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 10:02:41 AM PDT

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        •  a nurse speaks: (2+ / 0-)
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          from: OldLefty Reply:
          June 12th, 2011 at 20:35

          I got my facts from doctors and my own nursing education.

          Induction IS termination; any artificial means is termination, this is chemical, not mechanical.

          As for the blocked urethral valve; that was one of the reasons I listed for some of Dr Tiller’s patients;....

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          She was septic..her temp was 105. It was done to save her life.

          from the NYT 2005; ‘After resisting at first, she allowed doctors to give her the drug Pitocin to speed the birth. Gabriel lived just two hours.’

          Many of Dr Tiller’s patients were in similar situations.

          What is hypocritical is when he wants to make those decisions for others.


          Faux News ruined my state

          by sc kitty on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 11:36:28 AM PDT

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