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  •  Charter schools were introduced (5+ / 0-)

    in order to provide BETTER educational opportunities for kids who couldn't benefit from their local public schools or one reason or another. UNLESS they do that and UNTIL we are properly funding public schools for all children, yes, they should be outlawed. Multiple educational systems are expensive and until we are back in an environment where gutting school funding is no longer an option, we just can't afford them – and debating whether they are adequate or mostly accomplishing about the same as public schools is beside the point. If an overwhelming majority are doing no better, they should be eliminated. If 75 percent of them are doing better than public schools, we can have the conversation, along with where we are going to get a large increase in school funding so that maintaining charters doesn't punish public schools.

    Jennifer Brunner for Governor of Ohio 2014

    by anastasia p on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 08:04:53 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, multiple systems are expensive, (6+ / 0-)

      although most charters actually get LESS money than a comparative traditional school.

      But the traditional system is not working. And how are we to know how to improve it if we don't experiment with other models? Charter schools, at their best, are research. Research is expensive, but it always pays off in the end.

      "We live now in hard times, not end times." Jon Stewart

      by tb92 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 09:53:08 AM PDT

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      •  Are there any programs (2+ / 0-)
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        you can point to, anywhere in the country, where a public school system has spawned a successful charter school and the charter school methods were then adopted back into the public school and the charter school re-integrated?

        Or any charters where the school's charter specifically states the purpose of the school as research and defines measurements and actions based on the definition?

        •  Check out the Urban Education Institute (2+ / 0-)
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          They run four charter schools on the south side of Chicago, are VERY involved in doing research on best practices, and then promulgating them.   Very research and data driven, and doing a very good job.

          http://uei.uchicago.edu/

        •  My family left a private Waldorf school (2+ / 0-)
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          and moved to a charter specifically because we wanted to share that teaching method with as many other people as possible. In our case, we know from decades of experience that our system works. Our experiment involves how to translate that to a public environment. The schools main priority, of course, is to educate our children. But the administration, teachers, and many of the parents know that our eventual goal is expand and try to help others. And I know of other charter schools which are successful and trying to expand so that their system can be used by more kids.

          In my area, the school district really doesn't want to learn from us. We are trying to reach out to them. But if they refuse to learn from those who are succeeding, the answer is not to close the charters, but to work toward changing the traditional system.

          "We live now in hard times, not end times." Jon Stewart

          by tb92 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 12:47:08 PM PDT

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          •  I am especially glad to see your comment. (1+ / 0-)
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            I do not have school age children (they are grown) so I don't have first hand experience in Waldorf.  My daughter, however, has done extensive research on alternative methods, and has pulled me into her research.  Out of all the readings we have done, we like the Waldorf method the best.  She's had her son in the parent child early education class, but not in the regular school.  So although we don't have a lot of experience in Waldorf, we have some.  It's really gratifying to see positive comments on this style of education.  I am well aware of the number of Waldorf style public schools, but we don't have any here in NY.  Too bad, because of course, private school here is prohibitive.  It would be the best of both worlds to have a public Waldorf school as a choice.

            "..faith is believing what you know aint so." Mark Twain

            by nyskeptic on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 03:42:41 AM PDT

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            •  could you start a charter in that community? (0+ / 0-)

              Of course, it would mean finding the teachers to back the school, but I bet you could find a group to work towards this.

              http://www.uscharterschools.org/...

            •  My cousin's son (1+ / 0-)
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              went Waldorf through 8th grade, I believe, and is now in college, healthy and happy. One of my friends in another state has her three kids in Waldorf and is happy with it. It's something we were always interested in but didn't have one nearby so we had to experience it vicariously. I did know someone who homeschooled using Waldorf ideas, but it seems such a community-based method that I wonder how it worked ultimately. I know of some charter schools and even a magnet, I think, in our old school system that used Montessori. I don't know why one couldn't charter or magnet a Waldorf school.

              There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

              by Debby on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:26:14 AM PDT

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