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  •  Always good to monitor over and above NRC (1+ / 0-)
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    and plant operator monitors.

    I'm campaigning to shutdown every gas fired plant in the U.S. now, BTW. Seems at least 20 people have died due to the use of dangerous natural gas. 20 people dead that wouldn't be if we only phased out natural gas. You'all with me?

    Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

    by davidwalters on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:09:48 AM PDT

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    •  People die from the use (2+ / 0-)
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      of chainsaws (and a variety of other power and hand tools) too. Gas grills. Automobiles. They die from fires and water and wind and lightning as well. And if nothing else gets you first, people die of disease and/or old age. Not a single one of these ways that people die so contaminates huge tracts of land for hundreds or thousands of years that we call it a "dead zone." None of them come with tons of waste so deadly it has to be isolated and guarded for longer than human civilization has existed. None of them indiscriminately doles out death and disease to mass numbers of people unlucky enough to live downwind. None of them cause two-headed babies with no brains and extra arms and/or legs growing out of odd places.

      And a fatal accident involving power tools, backyard grills, the family gad-about, the average house fire, a slip in the bathtub, a tree falling on your bed or getting struck by lightning on the golf course requires ~7,500 "suicide troops" to march in for mere minutes at a time to take a reading or pick up a chunk of loose fuel at the cost of their lives.

      Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

      by Joieau on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:04:42 AM PDT

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      •  Even with Fukushima, fossil has proven far more (0+ / 0-)

        deadly than nuclear, which is my point, sarcastically given, Joieau. That death-by-fossil is generally ignored by antis (not that they support it, of course, it's just ignored except for those that can focus on coal). In reality 30,000 people dead a year from coal trumps anything from nuclear, including the Chernobyl-never-yet-been-repeated accident.

        We have to address the problems with nuclear and not ignore them. This means, in addition, understanding that relative risk of nuclear to fossil and how to address the problems of each. For me, and many, and even a growing number, nuclear is simply the more obvious alternative to fossil than renewables, or, like the renewable folks at ORNL and Sandia, both.

        There is no "indiscriminate" "death and disease" unless a lot more occurred than I'm aware of. Fossil does this regularly.

        The specifics of Fukushima accident have to be addressed with solutions, not fear, not running away. I've proposed specific remedies that should eliminate further occurrences. Others with other advocacy groups have done the same things. Prevent another Fukushima but preventing the causes of it in the first place:
        a/ better tsunami defense, applied the recommendations made to TEPCO and the government for the last 30 years;

        b/ begin a gradual phase out of all Mark I/II GE BWRs by replacing them with Gen III reactors already under construction in Japan and elseware;

        c/ immediate relocation of aux. diesel fuel tanks;

        d/ immediate rebuild of all plant intake structure including hardneing of CWPs and bus work.

        e/ immediate studies to design break waters capable of handling 1,000 year tsunamis for existing plants without them (SONGs, etc).

        f/ start pyropreprocessing for reducing amount and toxicity of long lived SNF.

        g/ crash R&D for existing Gen IV reactors (LFTR, IFR, etc) so the problems can be eliminated altogether.

        That's just me and a few others. This is a political not a technological issue, IMO.

        Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

        by davidwalters on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:31:35 AM PDT

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        •  Well, I've gotta tell you (4+ / 0-)

          that since this defense has been launched by the pro-nukes, I've heard anywhere from ~5,000 to several million deaths per year from coal, depending entirely on who's making the defense. With numbers that scattered it's pretty hard to believe any of them know what the hell they're talking about. Sort of like the "Chernobyl killed 56 people" (within 90 days) all the way to several million depending on who's asserting figures nobody ever intended to keep track of in the first place.

          Like I said, everybody dies of something eventually. When I die I expect to leave my beautiful homestead to my grandchildren so they can love it and leave it to their grandchildren. I expect my ashes to be dug into the rose bed just like the ashes of my mother and brother and son were used to balance the acidity of southern red clay. What I absolutely DO NOT intend is to have this place and 50 miles in all directions roped off with skulls and crossbones forever because it's deadly to even hike through here. I tread lightly on the earth. Nukes absolutely DO NOT.

          And finally, let's be honest here. Nobody's going to do anything about any nuclear power installation that is already built and running on its second life extension waiver. Nor is anybody ever going to clean up the horrific messes these things (and their government counterparts) have made of our good nation over the past 50 years. And neither you nor I will live long enough to see anything done about the hundreds of tons of high level fuel waste that still litters these dinosaurs and will for the next 10,000 years.

          You will never get my support for any new nuke of any description until you've dealt with the mess nukes have already left. I'm sure y'all can live with that, because my opposition is never going away.

          Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

          by Joieau on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:47:23 AM PDT

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          •  FUD. Rreally. (0+ / 0-)

            Only Chernobyl has the "roping off". And now this is being challenged. Chernobyl, a unique kind of accident. Fukushima, 10 miles. Lets' address the problem to solve it.

            Between the NIH and the EPA you get a 20,000 to 30,000 deaths per year from coal. This doesn't include those that develop but do not die from it. You seriously want to be the first person on the DK or the anti-nuclear side to question this? In China the estimates are 400,000 deaths exclusive of mining accidents.

            These "things" have not made "horrific messes" unless you'd like to be specific. The ecological footprint is far smaller than wind and solar per unit of energy. They use less resources to do so.

            Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

            by davidwalters on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:09:33 AM PDT

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