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    FogCityJohn, rserven

    Assimilation isn't always and everywhere a desideratum (though, like marriage, it is also a huge, powerful social construct that we're unlikely ever to get away from altogether). When I said "normal," I didn't mean it in the way the Republicans and their allies do, i.e., to suggest that anything other than that norm is somehow deviant, depraved, unworthy, and certainly to be fought against and suppressed if at all possible. I was, rather, using it in the social science/statistical sense of something that is usual, customary, common, prevalent, etc.

    Those differences include nonmonogamous relationships and all the other kinds of nontraditional ways gay people order their lives.  So if folks want marriage, they can have at it, and I fully support giving them that right.

    This. And it isn't just LGBT people who are increasingly ordering their lives in those alternative ways. What isn't yet clear is whether the decline in the centrality of marriage (at least in American society) is a temporary, cyclical thing that will subsequently change, or the beginning of a long, slow process of erosion as we begin to replace it with something else. The prophets of doom, of course, all think it is and can only be the latter, with the downfall of civilization as we know it only moments behind. This social and cultural historian, however, thinks the jury is not only still out on that question, but hasn't even been impaneled yet.

    I don't know if I'd ever want to get married. And if I did, I think chances are pretty good that the vows would not be the standard ones. But I damn sure want the legal ability to make those decisions myself, instead of having them automatically stripped away on the basis of an invidious animus toward a constitutive fact of my nature as a human being.

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      musing85, rserven
      But I damn sure want the legal ability to make those decisions myself, instead of having them automatically stripped away on the basis of an invidious animus toward a constitutive fact of my nature as a human being.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 06:14:48 PM PDT

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