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  •  Van Jones? (0+ / 0-)

    I won't go into Van Jones' past and his involvements and so forth.  I want to just say that he isn't someone that will inspire most people...democrats or republicans.  

    There are just too many "skeletons" he has to overcome to be a considered source both here or anywhere.  BO knew he had too many things in his past and that too many of his beliefs/involvements were too...for a lack of a better word "radical" for Americans...at least voting Americans.

    Please don't start askin' me to go to all the search engines to somehow prove my point here.  Just the fact that he's no longer in the Obama fold and no longer holds a prominent position in the Obama administration says a lot.

    I don't disagree with his thoughts here...just think we should use someone than Van Jones for the spokesman.

    -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

    by r2did2 on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 11:56:49 AM PDT

    •  Radical is the only way forward. (1+ / 0-)
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      Honestly, more and more Americans are going to realize that.  And I think only when a critical mass of Americans realize that do we actually have a chance of making improvements.

      To be clear, the Republican fascists have made "radical" the only way forward by eliminating inside-the-system options.

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 01:44:20 PM PDT

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      •  Won't argue your post (0+ / 0-)

        But, I'm not a socialist and not a communist and don't favor either of those political systems/philosophies.  Those ARE what Van Jones advocates, so not a fan.

        Just my opinion on the man.

        -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

        by r2did2 on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 01:52:44 PM PDT

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        •  you never signed anything when you were (1+ / 0-)
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          younger that you do not support now?

          Maybe you're still too young to have a past?

          But whatever...

          He's not asking you to follow him. Did you listen?

          He's asking each of us to engage and join the movement to support real American values - not the shop til you drop mantra of recent years that advertisers have sold us.

          He's talking about communities of interest and supporting each other through networks and and regrounding ourselves in basic values. If that's socialist, so be it.

          "There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires." - President Obama

          by fhcec on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 02:28:26 PM PDT

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          •  Hmmmm (0+ / 0-)

            Can't hide his thoughts and presentations...no matter what is presented.  Nice "talk"...but there's a bigger picture you might not be lookin' at...or are just ignoring.

            Whatever, like you said.

            -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

            by r2did2 on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 02:53:55 PM PDT

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          •  You know I also wondered about the (0+ / 0-)

            expression "American values". As far as I understand the values they are talking and thinking about are pretty universal, how is it that they get "a nationality" conditioner attached.

            It implies that other nations don't have similar values. Ever thought about how that sounds in non American ears? I am just trying to find out what my "German values" are and I have a hard time finding that they are any different from "American values" and my hunch is that other countries won't find the "Spanish" or "Greek" or "Italian" values they are yearning their governments to live up to be any different from your "American values".

            How about dropping the word "American" from your value system? Would really help to win "hearts and minds" of non Americans ...

        •  I don't support Marxism... (0+ / 0-)

          ...but Social Democracy, which is a form of socialism, appears to have created the richest, happiest societies in the world.  Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, a socialist.  What's your problem with socialism?

          Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

          by neroden on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 04:06:07 PM PDT

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        •  What's wrong with being a social democrat? (0+ / 0-)

          The best politician in our country Bernie Sanders is a Social Democrat.  Give me 100 more of him and watch everything change for the better.

          "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

          by noofsh on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 06:45:26 PM PDT

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        •  Oh well, now the poor man Jonew gets (0+ / 0-)

          bashed for being a social democrat or "help me God" a socialist?

          Do you know how many social democrats are there in Europe alone? So, they are all your enemies? May be you want to reconsider your viewpoints?

        •  So In Other Words (0+ / 0-)

          Your opposition isn't really about "skeletons in" Van Jones' closet, after all? (As you claimed above.)  Sure seems like that's the case.......now that you've admitted you consider him a socialist and communist and don't like him for that reason.  So which is it? Make up your mind.

          If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

          by shanikka on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 07:30:05 AM PDT

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    •  This makes no sense to me (1+ / 0-)
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      So you think because he is no longer in the Obama admin. that makes him too radical?  That makes no sense.  Sorry.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 06:44:03 PM PDT

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    •  As Someone (1+ / 0-)
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      Who has followed Van Jones' work locally here in the Bay Area long long before President Obama ever heard of him, may I respectfully say that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.  You are repeating right-wing whisper campaign propaganda begun by the right-wing when it was clear that Van Jones was the Black man equivalent of Shirley Chisholm ("unbought and unbossed") and rising rapidly in public prominence.  Those who live here know better.  So unless you have something actually written by someone at the Ella Baker Center, Color of Change or someone who worked with him throughout all those years, you have nothing.  While nobody human is above reproach, Van Jones has been an honest broker.  And keeps fighting the good fight.

      So I'll reiterate that you don't know what the hell you're taking about.  Other than, of course, those "internet stories" that I guess you believe "prove your point."

      If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

      by shanikka on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 07:28:11 AM PDT

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