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  •  I don't like the politics of the (9+ / 0-)

    Mormon church. I can't imagine being a member of that church. But, all churches require faith in stories and miracles and such that cannot be proven. So, I definitely am not trying to be picking on believers of any faith tonight.

    And, I will add that I know some very nice Mormons whose children ran track and played basketball with my two when they were in high school. And, I know that the Mormon church has made a tremendous outreach to the Third World including Latin America, the South Pacific region and Africa. So they have their share of interracial marriages these days.

    But, their denial of Black people is so recent that it fits in a discussion like this one.

    I know that you know all this. I just don't want to seem like I am singling them out for bad treatment. The faith that I was raised in, Catholicism, has its share of evil too.

    Erase the Hypocrisy, Erase the Denialism, Erase the Racism

    by blindyone on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:59:09 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, I know. :) (8+ / 0-)

      I guess it's the old reflex in me... I suppose it's because I grew up in that church, and I turned out relatively okay!

      I don't believe in any religion anymore, but I don't deny anyone else the right to believe as they choose. I'm not arrogant enough to sit here and tell you that I'm absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong.

      But the thing that I hold most deeply - what I learned from my still-Mormon mother - is that the most important thing in this world (in my opinion) is treating others with respect and kindness.

      I'm having a hard time explaining what I mean. Maybe I'll quote her (not verbatim, because my memory isn't that good).

      She said once that she hated the idea of "tolerance". She was in a bad mood that day, and groused at me that she thought the whole idea of tolerating or accepting people who were different was ridiculous on the face of it, because that implied that there was something wrong with them that we had to "put up" with.

      She said that she much preferred the idea of appreciating those who are different. Get to know them, and appreciate what they can bring to the conversation, and to a friendship.

      Enjoy the differences, instead of being afraid of them, or just putting up with them.

      And she was proud that the KKK hated Mormons. She said she'd rather be on their shit list than on their "approved" list.

      My mom's a kick. Love her to pieces. :)

      Oh yeah - and she's hoping to run into the Westboro Baptist Church group someday so she can give them a very large piece of her mind. If she does, I want to BE there!!

      "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

      by Diogenes2008 on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 09:27:52 PM PDT

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      •  Good for your Mom. I like that distinction (6+ / 0-)

        between tolerance and appreciation myself. There is wisdom in that.

        That's why I have no use for colorblindness. It basically tells people that you'll be nice and not notice that they are Black. As if there is nothing to value in being Black.

        Tell your Mom to be careful around the Westboro folks. They sue people/institutions to keep their cult going. Many of their young ones become lawyers.

        Erase the Hypocrisy, Erase the Denialism, Erase the Racism

        by blindyone on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 09:51:21 PM PDT

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