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  •  Older Americans simply have a lot of time (5+ / 0-)

    and don't tend to move residences a lot. Plus, they've probably registered to vote in the past. Young Americans may not have registered, they tend to move a lot more, and they don't have free time.

    It's not some sort of generational virtue at work.

    I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

    by Nulwee on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 08:57:48 AM PDT

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    •  I also think the young (1+ / 0-)
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      mind is blessedly free of worry in a way that flees so quickly.

      It's a blessing for them, but a curse for the rest of society which could use their liberal nature.

      From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

      by satrap on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 09:01:30 AM PDT

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      •  Being young today is not free of worry. (5+ / 0-)

        That is some sort of old-fashioned stereotype. Today's society is very ageist.

        The young people I know have a lot of debt, have to worry a lot about rent and bills. I know young people who are chronically exhausted and depressed from their jobs.

        I don't know what America you experience.

        I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

        by Nulwee on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 09:03:25 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, but I'm (1+ / 0-)
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          talking about the relative size of the cohort.  There are many young people who worry that way, but their minds are not as focused, overall, as those of seniors whose morbidity and mortality is ever at the forefront of their minds.

          Young people are, thankfully, preoccupied with other things like wanton procreative attempts, adrenaline rushes, and laughter.  

          It's an unfair fight to expect them to challenge older voters in similar proportions.

          From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

          by satrap on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 09:06:56 AM PDT

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        •  I know what you mean (11+ / 0-)

          my daughter 32 and manager works long hours at stressful job to be able to pay mortgage and bills. Her husband a union trucker but at bottom of list is out of work a lot.

          They voted for Bush once because they are pro-life and it took me years while they were late 20's to get them to realize you can't vote one issue and they only turned around when husband joined union and union opened up his eyes and they voted for Obama.

          I have no idea but think the young don't see many leaders they respect. They see a bunch of old rich guys on either side.

          If it was my guess they probably feel no one represents them.

          •  The young hate politics (6+ / 0-)

            It's dishonest
            It's a bunch of hostility towards each other
            The politicians are crooks.

            Those are the three reasons that keep popping up whenever I ask why someone doesn't like politics.

            I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

            by Nulwee on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 09:34:15 AM PDT

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            •  Great. So let them continue to be (4+ / 0-)

              "too busy" and "too worried" and "too depressed" to vote or to participate.

              And soon they'll find themselves OLD and even busier and more depressed and more worried and sicker.  Because they wanted to, you know, opt out of the world.  The world was pressing down on them.

              But the world just keeps on happening, and the worst of the worst keep on winning.  And laughing at them.

              "Because inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened." -Terry Pratchett

              by revsue on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 10:05:19 AM PDT

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              •  Well if we want to change it we have to (3+ / 0-)
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                show them a difference between sides and that "our" side is better.

                When they see how weak the dems are and most people respect strength what can they think?

                They don't want to vote probably for the right with all their social issues and we look weak so they don't vote.

                It is up to us somehow to get our side to have balls. I have no idea what we can do other than all get together and have balls ourselves and demand our leaders do likewise!

            •  Just hand the other side the keys (1+ / 0-)
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              Let them dive, because it's too disgusting to the purists.

              Where are "the young" going to go? Just live in the mess that someone else who bothered to vote actually made? At least they will be able to bitch to each other about what a crock the whole thing is.

              Newsflash to young: it's not going to change until you work to change it. Or would you rather just mope, complain, and play with the Wii?

              They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

              by Louise on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 12:57:51 PM PDT

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              •  Doesn't matter how young or old you are (4+ / 0-)
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                Diarist nails it here:

                It all comes down to trying to find a place where we belong and to shelter us from our problems rather than actually doing anything about those causing our problems in the first place.

                We cannot blame our current ills on "the young". That's feeding this:

                Turning the population against itself has worked out very well for a tiny minority "

                I know fellow fifty-somethings who are addicted to their iPhones. I know twenty-somethings who are ten times more responsible now than so many in my generation when they became forty-somethings.

                Black. White. Gay. Straight. Republican. Democrat.

                This divide, divide, divide crap Has. To. STOP.

                WE are not our enemy.  Those who caused our problems--massive unemployment, the trashing of the concept of Government and our Constitution, the permission of blatant propaganda  to infest every day of our lives, seemingly everywhere we turn--THEY are our enemy.

                REPEAL the Telecomm Act & REVIEW this decision. NO journalist should be fired because their boss can't have the truth told.

                by lunachickie on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 03:03:53 PM PDT

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            •  They're gonna get hostile themselves (0+ / 0-)

              The fact that the politicians are crooks will become irrelevant as they'll start backing their own candidates.

              Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

              by neroden on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 06:21:10 PM PDT

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            •  Wimpy cop-out. (0+ / 0-)

              They hate politics because they actually have to learn something other than a facebook or twitter posting.  The rate of narcissism in the 15-25 yr old cohort these days is mind numbing.

              WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

              by IARXPHD on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 06:59:21 AM PDT

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          •  Politics is also complicated (2+ / 0-)
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            I follow politics like baseball--or rather, instead of baseball.  But there is a lot to keep track of.  It can be hard, even if you are well intended, to stay on top of all the people, the issues, the events, etc etc.

            Knowing a little more about politics enables you to realize it is a team sport--you vote for one Repub, you get 'em all. I have spoken to many people, of all ages, who still say "I vote for the man, not the party."  (To which I say, "You'll GET the party when you vote for the man.")

            I had a long conversation with a very sincere young woman, a relative, who has very liberal sensibilities but never voted because she said she just didn't understand the issues, the people, and had 4 kids to keep up with this.  The presidency of George W made her see the error of her ways.

          •  Given the performance of far too many Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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            in recent times, their feeling that no one represents them isn't just a feeling, it's the facts.

    •  Slightly OT. I wish more young people had (4+ / 0-)

      voted in 2010 simply to say thank you to the President and the Dems for letting them stay on their parents health insurance 'til they're 26 and for expanding student loans, Pell grants, etc. by cutting out the bankster middlemen.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 09:25:48 AM PDT

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    •  Older people are usually more invested in (4+ / 0-)

      their community. They have been there longer and expect to continue to be involved. They have a better idea of local issues and candidates

      Younger people haven't settled yet. They see themselves as visiting, temporary residents when they are at college or even starting their first job. They may feel a stronger connection to and have better knowledge of their parents' community. A lot of younger people are ambivalent about participating given that they don't expect to have to live with the outcome of their vote.

      Conservation! Because the cheapest energy is the energy you don't use.

      by ohiolibrarian on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 10:43:01 AM PDT

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