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  •  Fascism is "Spiritual" Communism Is Atheist (9+ / 0-)

    You can browse my diaries for the last several years.

    Fascism is focused on "blood" and "spirit" and racial purity. It frequently coexists with religion (usually Catholicism). Croatian Fascists were very catholic.

    Communism is pseudoscientific economics (minus any math)  and believes in a philosophical inevitability (dielectic materialism). It is not explicitly racist.

     "Spiritual" versus "Materialism" puts them at opposite ends of the philosophical spectrum.

    It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

    by bernardpliers on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 07:14:22 PM PDT

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    •  Bullshit. (2+ / 0-)
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      Marxian economics is widely practiced, and not always by Marxists.  You may want to read an economics journal that isn't published in the US or Western Europe.

      "It is not explicitly racist."  --Tell us, then, how it is implicitly racist, as you suggest but don't actually say.  

      "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

      by Pierro Sraffa on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 07:28:34 PM PDT

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      •  Marx Was What We Would Now Call A "Futurist" (4+ / 0-)

        Not to argue apples and oranges - I'm talking Marx vs Hitler and the  movements' philosophical roots.   And Marx was not in any sense an economist.

        It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

        by bernardpliers on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 07:50:19 PM PDT

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        •  Well, political economy surely includes Marx. (2+ / 0-)
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          The graphs and charts and stochastic calculus guys not so much.

          Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

          by vets74 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 06:40:20 AM PDT

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        •  Marx is most certainly an economist, among (1+ / 0-)
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          other things, unless you are also willing to posit that Ricardo and Smith were not economists, as they too used the labor theory of value.  Or maybe you think only neoclassically trained economists are, in fact, economists - in other words, Keynes is out, as are Sraffa and a host of other economists and great thinkers, such as Schumpeter and Veblan.  

          "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

          by Pierro Sraffa on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 09:02:52 AM PDT

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          •  I'm Not Saying He Was A Bad Economist (0+ / 0-)

            He just was not in any sense an economist any more than he was the Pope.

            It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

            by bernardpliers on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 11:03:04 AM PDT

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            •  Well, I'm not saying you are a complete jackass; (0+ / 0-)

              instead you are merely a jackass.

              The Grundrisse has more insight into macroeconomics than all of neoclassical theory combined.

              BTW, you still haven't explained how Marx is implicitly racist.

              "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

              by Pierro Sraffa on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 08:23:11 PM PDT

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      •  I don't really think "bull****" is a proper (5+ / 0-)
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        reaction to bernardpliers comment.  His tone was exceedingly civil, imo.

        With respect to the efficacy of Marxian economics, the proof is in the pudding.  

        It's interesting to see someone doing something as old-fashioned as defending Communism.  Been a while since I've come across that.

        We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

        by Observerinvancouver on Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 08:52:35 PM PDT

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        •  Consider Israel. (1+ / 0-)
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          The big mature-industry companies are largely socialist.

          The small businesses are capitalist.

          Start-ups are encouraged.

          The government is a clean democracy, albeit dominated by the prevailing national multiple-paranoias.

          Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

          by vets74 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 06:43:42 AM PDT

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          •  Erm ... I'm not sure if you mean "consider Israel" (0+ / 0-)

            as a refutation of my comment about Marxian economics or confirmation.  Are the big mature-industry companies owned by the government?  Srsly, not snark.  I realize I know close to nothing about the Israel economy.  The rest of your points don't sound as though they support Marxism or communism.  

            We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

            by Observerinvancouver on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 08:25:16 AM PDT

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            •  Israel is a mixed economy. (0+ / 0-)

              Works to beat the band. Way better than what Goldman, Sachs is inflicting on America. Way better than what has been happening here since 1981 and the Limousine Inaugural that January.

              Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

              by vets74 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 10:16:22 AM PDT

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    •  Today's American fascists only win elections -- (1+ / 0-)
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      and I do mean ONLY win them -- by exploiting # 5 of my sig line...........

      Angry White Males + Crooks + Personality Disorder psychos + KKKwannabes + "Unborn Child" church folk =EQ= The Republicans

      by vets74 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 06:37:55 AM PDT

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    •  Belief in some sort of inevitability (1+ / 0-)
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      for a non-theist materialist doctrine it still seemed to need a leap of faith that somehow the "from each" and "to each" accordingly thing was achievable... that humanity could be evolved or programmed by mutual agreement to all strive for the greater good and shed all that selfishness... a belief in things like sharing of property to an extreme that does not seem possible and the withering away of the state and even money someday. That is a non-god "pie not in the sky but on earth" belief system.

      Making life on earth as wonderful as possible... bread and roses and all that is a good thing to strive for, BUT ordaining the means of achieving it or having a fairly wide eyed acceptance of this somehow happening inevitably (or with a bit of strong arm help by specially guided citizen non-priest vanguards if one was more of a Leninist) and also wanting it to happen sooner so much that rules can be bent or broken, seems akin to holy extremists thinking that it is OK to break some eggs to bring about the rapture or convert everybody just that much sooner... Even non religious dogma taken to far ends up with quasi-faith thinking and a severe longing for the promised nirvana whatever form it takes.. a longing that can get extreme and justify all sorts of things to bring it about sooner... Those ached for "ends" can get the impatient believers to sign off on all kinds of "means" that just can't help making life more complicated for those whose lack of faith gets in the way of "heaven" whether here on earth with no deity involved or the other more traditional ethereal kind with some sort of supreme being(s) ....

      People cannot quite escape religious thought patterns regardless... even if they have no deity in the picture... Like the man said "if there wasn't a God man would have to invent one"... and our brains go one further, we often believe in things that are not real, things that we feel must be or will be but with no real logical basis for it.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Mon Jun 20, 2011 at 07:40:56 AM PDT

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