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  •  So what? (2+ / 0-)
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    You dump all the coke out of a can of coke can and the coke can will go on forever. But it will never be a can of coke again.

    Mother earth happens to be humanity's home. Anyone who loves humanity must love her and protect her. What kind of an idiot wouldn't defend his home from unnecessary ruin?

    So the health of mother earth is a big fucking deal because we are mother earth's children and we are still on her tits.

    Beliefs that don't appeal to reason are unreasonable.

    by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 05:18:21 PM PDT

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    •  Look, we all know we're probably (3+ / 0-)
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      going to hell with what humanity is doing in the face of this crisis. And we all feel helpless to do anything. But some of us have decided to not let the anger destroy us, and others are suffering under extreme anger and depression. That's the only difference here.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 05:34:00 PM PDT

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      •  I am responding to the comment (3+ / 0-)
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        that the earth will survive our crisis.

        The issue for me is whether humanity can survive the crisis.

        If destroying the earth would save humanity I would be all for destroying the earth, but for the foreseeable future this is home.

        Beliefs that don't appeal to reason are unreasonable.

        by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 05:51:03 PM PDT

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        •  While I can appreciate you caring about (1+ / 0-)
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          the human race, I look at it more like we are just one species of animal that lives here on this planet. And we all owe it to the planet to leave it in the same condition in which we found it. I think we owe it to future creatures that will roam this planet to do all we can to preserve it, even at our own expense.

          I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

          by doc2 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 05:53:58 PM PDT

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          •  We don't have to let the biosphere of our planet (2+ / 0-)
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            die.

            There are plenty of solutions to our current crisis that can preserve to the bulk of humanity.

            Beliefs that don't appeal to reason are unreasonable.

            by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 06:03:01 PM PDT

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            •  Good thing that it won't, then... (0+ / 0-)

              Look, evolution works. Life on Earth has already survived mass extinctions of a far greater magnitude than anything that human-driven environmental changes are going to produce, and no matter what we do or do not do, the planet and life on it will be just fine, given a few million years or so.

              "Save the planet" is a dumb slogan, and we've been shouting it for 40 years, and it hasn't worked.

              --Shannon

              "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
              "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

              by Leftie Gunner on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 09:54:25 PM PDT

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          •  Sorry ... (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't see why other species merit prioritization over our own ... targeting sustainability that sustains the human race along with other species.

            Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

            by A Siegel on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 08:08:57 PM PDT

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        •  Agree ... (1+ / 0-)
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          The issue for me is whether humanity can survive the crisis.

          wholeheartedly.

          Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

          by A Siegel on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 08:08:00 PM PDT

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    •  Most people don't really see their (6+ / 0-)

      existence as being dependent upon the earth, they just expect their existence to, well, just be. And when you put it in terms like "killing the earth" those people just don't fucking care. because their meat comes in unrecognizable slabs neatly packaged and refrigerated. Grains come powdered in bags and you can buy all the spices you want. Our grocery store convenience has separated us from the actual world so much that we feel we exist separate from it. We're screwed. The world will shake us off like fleas.

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      by psilocynic on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 05:34:43 PM PDT

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