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  •  I meant: No we aren't shit and gas of shit! (0+ / 0-)

    We are humans and humanity, the most precious thing I know.

    Beliefs that don't appeal to reason are unreasonable.

    by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 06:05:08 PM PDT

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    •  Sure. Not really arguing against that. (1+ / 0-)
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      Being the most precious thing you know, that is. I guess I was speaking more cosmologically. The planet has survived other extinction events and if we are fools to believe we can't cause our own, then maybe we don't diserve this globe we're on anyway. I live responsable because it makes me feel better about myself. I have, however, given up crusading. If people don't want to see what they are doing to us by way of the planet, I don't care anymore. But they are doing it to us. Not the planet. This ball of rock will be fine.

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      by psilocynic on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 06:44:51 PM PDT

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      •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

        What possible satisfaction can you get from knowing that a rock will still orbit the sun if we should destroy the biosphere?

        What could be more important the health of the human race and what could we be more dependent on than the health of the earth and its ability to support our species?

        Beliefs that don't appeal to reason are unreasonable.

        by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 08:14:10 PM PDT

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        •  We won't destroy the entire biosphere. (1+ / 0-)
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          I gain comfort from the knowledge that bacteria will live on (they live INSIDE high-level radioactive waste... INSIDE miles-deep rock... they will survive everything short of the sun going red giant) and most probably many species of multicellular eukaryotic plants and animals.

          Heck, even many rat and squirrel species have a decent chance of survival.  Probably the closest relatives to us who do; they're much more adaptable than we are and very similar creatures existed in a "hothouse world" environment.

          Humanity, in contrast, is on the edge of extinction, if we don't get our act together.  Along with a tragic number of other species.

          I suppose I am able to gain comfort from the probable survival of other species quite distantly related to us because I've always had empathy for things as distant from us as bacteria.  But I realize that's not common.

          Perhaps a future, better intelligent species will evolve.  I wish I knew how to warn them not to make our mistakes.

          Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

          by neroden on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 08:44:40 PM PDT

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        •  I don't think you get what I'm saying. (2+ / 0-)
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          The connection most people feel to the earth is abstract at best. If it weren't, we wouldn't be fucking it up. I think the emphasis should be placed on us, not the earth, which was why I said that we are screwed, not the earth. I get no satisfaction from this at all. You may see it as a mater of semantics but I see it as a framing issue.

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          by psilocynic on Tue Jun 21, 2011 at 08:46:01 PM PDT

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