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  •  The New York Times says... (0+ / 0-)
    Most American forces are expected to leave Afghanistan by 2014.

    I assume that would mean most of the rest.  Where did they get that?

    The only exercise I take is walking behind the coffins of friends who took exercise. -- Peter O'Toole

    by dov12348 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 05:38:06 PM PDT

    •  From Obama's speech? (3+ / 0-)
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      After this initial reduction, our troops will continue coming home at a steady pace as Afghan Security forces move into the lead. Our mission will change from combat to support. By 2014, this process of transition will be complete, and the Afghan people will be responsible for their own security.
      •  Well then why does... (0+ / 0-)

        ...Rep. McGovern say "counrterterrorism doesn't require 70,000 boots on the ground."  -- ? That implies 70,000 will likely still be there in 2014.

        The only exercise I take is walking behind the coffins of friends who took exercise. -- Peter O'Toole

        by dov12348 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 05:50:55 PM PDT

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        •  I think Obama rightly left himself some wiggle (1+ / 0-)
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          He's running for re-election and you know the GOP is going to look for ways to make any accomplishment of his look bad.  Making a hard, fast promise about a situation as fluid as war just isn't smart political strategy.

        •  I dont know, ask him (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Well, that's a pretty silly statement. (2+ / 0-)
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          Representative McGovern knows perfectly well that this is not "counterterrorism." It's a battle against a well-constituted and well-armed insurgency aimed at overthrowing the Afghan government and replacing it with an Islamist government run out of Islamabad.

          Rep. McGovern also knows that any counter-insurgency expert will tell you that you need a 4:1 ratio of troops to insurgents to defeat an insurgency. The Taliban have an estimated 25,000 fighters in theater and can bring in reinforcements from Pakistan very quickly.

          So we can see that we had something close to the minimum very briefly, though we can tell from the increasing number of attacks that it still wasn't enough, due to Pakistani activity. Be that as it may, this is an unwinnable war because we cannot operate on the ground in Pakistan, which is the real center of Taliban power, arms, and funding.

          So what is really being said is that we are going to give Afghanistan to the Taliban to do with what they will. We will see what that is.

          I remember well all the executions and torture of both men and women. Some very good friends of mine, Hazars, are survivors of the Hazara massacres done by the Pashtun Taliban. I hope those atrocities will not be repeated. Hope is not very reassuring to me, nor to the people of India.

          It's disturbing to me to see a Representative come in here throwing raw meat, regardless of the very real consequences.

          Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why we win. -Syriana

          by CarbonFiberBoy on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 07:32:38 PM PDT

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    •  We are still in Korea (0+ / 0-)

      We are still in Korea.  I will believe that when I see it.

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