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  •  Check the Constitution (6+ / 0-)

    The president is not a dictator.

      •  Congress doesn't need the president to do anything (1+ / 0-)
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        to vote on Libya.  They can just vote on Libya.  This congress is not capable of doing its job.

        "Hope 2010 feels a lot different than Hope 2008. Tougher, deeper, more dearly bought." Femlaw, Hope 2010, September 8, 2010.

        by seanwright on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 07:19:51 PM PDT

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    •  So exactly whose decision is it to keep more (6+ / 0-)

      troops there or bring them home?

      Did Congress have a vote on this that I missed?

      My point is that he said this and that on the campaign trail solely to win the election.

      If he said something like, Every American will have peach ice cream in their homes, and it turns out that people are allergic to peaches, we wouldn't be saying:  Well, he said he would have peach ice cream in every home.

      His words hardly ever match his actions.  He says this and that, but doesn't follow through.

      Just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean that his current war plans are good for the country.

      His job is to recognize and adapt to our own situation at home, and he certainly hasn't taken any steps to do so.

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 06:11:57 PM PDT

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    •  The Constitution says a lot of things, many (1+ / 0-)
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      of which aren't adhered to.  

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 06:13:06 PM PDT

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    •  that'd be cool if it were true, but when you (3+ / 0-)
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      VIOLATE the Constitution and refuse to defend it (by prosecuting war criminals for instance or by usurping Congress' war powers, or by spying on Americans en masse, or by prosecuting whisteblowers instead of the exposed criminals, etc., etc.) well THEN what SHOULD we call the guy?

      “The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and thus we drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.” – Einstein (1946)

      by Earth Ling on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 07:19:35 PM PDT

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      •  The U.S. involvement in Libya doesn't violate (0+ / 0-)

        the Constitution.  It  violates the War Powers Resolution. Which is not part of the Consitution.  When did he spy on American's en masse?

        "Hope 2010 feels a lot different than Hope 2008. Tougher, deeper, more dearly bought." Femlaw, Hope 2010, September 8, 2010.

        by seanwright on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 08:10:58 PM PDT

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        •  Article 1, Section 8 for war powers (2+ / 0-)
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          And do you really not know that the gov't has massively overstepped its powers with regard to spying on citizens?

          As one example from McLatchy:

          Obama assertion: FBI can get phone records without oversight

          WASHINGTON — The Obama administration's Justice Department has asserted that the FBI can obtain telephone records of international calls made from the U.S. without any formal legal process or court oversight, according to a document obtained by McClatchy.

          That assertion was revealed — perhaps inadvertently — by the department in its response to a McClatchy request for a copy of a secret Justice Department memo...

          “The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and thus we drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.” – Einstein (1946)

          by Earth Ling on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 08:26:44 PM PDT

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          •  Also from the article you quote (0+ / 0-)
            In January 2010, McClatchy asked for a copy of the Office of Legal Counsel memo under open records laws after a reference to it appeared in a heavily excised section of a report on how the FBI abused its powers when seeking telephone records.

            In the report, the Justice Department's inspector general said "the OLC agreed with the FBI that under certain circumstances (word or words redacted) allows the FBI to ask for and obtain these records on a voluntary basis from the providers, without legal process or a qualifying emergency."

            *

            Since 2006, it appears the bureau has refrained from using the authority it continues to assert, according to another heavily redacted section of the inspector general's report.

            So the one example of the Obama administration spying on American's en masse is an OLC/FBI opinion that the FBI has a right to ask for and obtain records of international phone records from phone companies on a voluntary basis - a right which the FBI has apparently not exercised since before Obama was President.  

            There are a lot of things out there that any fools knows that just ain't so.

            "Hope 2010 feels a lot different than Hope 2008. Tougher, deeper, more dearly bought." Femlaw, Hope 2010, September 8, 2010.

            by seanwright on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 08:46:36 PM PDT

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            •  oh thank goodness they "appear" to be showing (1+ / 0-)
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              restraint. That's all we should demand of our government which clearly has only our best interests at heart. We should never constrain our government with the Constitution, that would be so inconvenient!

              There's plenty out there to show that Obama is NOT defending the Constitution:

              Meanwhile, the Obama administration is trying to quash an Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) lawsuit aimed at holding Bush administration officials responsible for warrantless surveillance conducted prior to the FISA amendments, surveillance that Obama himself has said was illegal. It argues that allowing the lawsuit to proceed would harm national security—a claim frequently made by the Bush administration, which Obama has criticized as excessively secretive. Obama's Justice Department has gone even further than the Bush administration, arguing that the PATRIOT Act immunizes government officials who participate in illegal surveillance, except when "the Government obtains information about a person through intelligence-gathering, and Government agents unlawfully disclose that information." As EFF puts it, "DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying [as opposed to disclosure]—that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes."

              The DOJ dismissal motion is here. Glenn Greenwald has more here.

              “The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and thus we drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.” – Einstein (1946)

              by Earth Ling on Wed Jun 22, 2011 at 09:13:15 PM PDT

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      •  A politician (0+ / 0-)
        well THEN what SHOULD we call the guy?

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:18:19 AM PDT

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