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  •  Don't know what her or ANSWER's true (3+ / 0-)
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    motivations are but let's be clear all people against this agressive NATO action aren't necessarily non or anti-interventionists or isolationists.  It's just that they see this for what it is and know the humanitarian aspect is another false excuse to continue the hegemomic rampage thru the Middle East and North Africa. And that's not saying humanitarian assistance isn't needed by many Libyan people.  It's a tough thing when the paramedics are also the gangs.

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:42:40 AM PDT

    •  "It's a tough thing when the paramedics are also (1+ / 0-)
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      the gangs."

      That sounds like the LAPD but that's the real world.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:55:20 AM PDT

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    •  The U.S. uses dictators to expand hegemony (2+ / 0-)
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      Bush was already rehabilitating Gaddafi, trying to escort him back into the international community, get him to be one of our guys, like the Saudis. The Libyan intervention started with absolutely no guarantees that it would end up with an American- or business-friendly government; from an American perspective, it's doing nothing but increasing uncertainty and temporarily hobbling the oil industry.

      Libya isn't Iraq; Iraq was incapable of developing its oil fields fast enough, and the oil companies desperately wanted in. But there was no such problem in Libya; Gaddafi was allowing oil companies to drill to their hearts' content.

      This war just doesn't fit into the mold that people seem to be trying to force it into. It's telling that ANSWER apparently couldn't find any Libyans to support their position so they had to shut Libyans out altogether.

      •  Why would you think the neocons such as Kristol, (2+ / 0-)
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        Wolfowicz, Abrams, Krauthammer, Leiberman and McCain, those that helped bring us the Iraq war and who have been after Libya for a long time, are so supportive of this action?  For humanitarian reasons?  That's just not possible.

        S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:18:11 AM PDT

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        •  If you like a lot of war... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...you'll probably like a little war too. I don't expect Kristol et al to be too happy with the decision to turn around and walk away when Gaddafi loses his grip (if indeed it happens this way).

          Contrary to a lot of what I've been reading, this is actually coming closer every day. The rebels have regained their momentum and are advancing again; Gaddafi's army is still embargoed and is running out of fuel and losing military units by the day, such that he will probably not be able to hold Tripoli when the time comes. And then NATO's role is officially over.

          My opinions on foreign policy are not just "the opposite of what Bill Kristol says" even if it usually lines up that way.

      •  It was a bi-partisan effort... (0+ / 0-)

        Bush sent Biden on Air Force 2 to kiss Qaddafi's ring and bring him back into the fold.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:20:37 AM PDT

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    •  I regard Americans with those politics (1+ / 0-)
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      as selfhating.

      True, there is usually unhealed trauma that motivates the stance.

      But there is malice and bad faith and historical error in claiming that pro-democratic American intervention is invariably imperial in design or in consequence.  The American South, Germany/western Europe, and Japan/East Asia stand in cold  and undeniable disproof of the assertion.  (And yes, spare me the sophistry of the counter"argument".)

      That Gaddafi is a murderous hegemon and in league with most of  the remaining other murderous hegemons and empire projects around the world doesn't seem to faze this part of the American Left.  The approach and presuppositionism of it is well described in Hofstadter's Paranoid Style.

      •  Regard away. I'm a happy motherfucker. (0+ / 0-)

        One life to live.
        Don't be such a killjoy.:)

        S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 02:35:32 PM PDT

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