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  •  I don't know about fair (2+ / 0-)
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    DemFromCT, litho

    but it's more fair than in most states which is a great start.  

    Personally I think the tax increases in the state on the wealthy should have been a bit higher.  We rank 48th overall in tax burden so there is some room to increase but the fact that they went up at all is amazing in and of itself.  When we and other states like Illinois show the rest that it is okay to raise taxes and that life as we know it will not end or that there won't be a mass exodus out of the state with Porche's, Rolls Royces and Astin Martins all lining up along I-95 with suitcases strapped to the top of their cars, maybe they will realize it is okay to do so as well.

    On a side note, the rich are already finding loopholes around the taxes.  My fiancee works at a day spa in CT and I made the suggestion to her that they should run a 'Beat The Tax' special since the massages will all be subjected to a 6.35% tax as of July 1.  Wouldn't you know it, she took the idea to her boss and they ran with it.  They've been going gangbusters selling packages that can total upward of $600 for 6 sessions.  All so people can save $8.25 on a $130 massage.    

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 08:27:20 AM PDT

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    •  "More fair than in most states" (1+ / 0-)
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      DisNoir, do you know of any states in which the givebacks demanded of public employees were greater? $3.6 billion over (a generous estimate of) 90,000 is a LOT of money ($40k a head over 2 years). I know it's more than Walker or Christie demanded.

      It didn't have to be this way -- "give back the money or I'll fire 10% (or more) of you." It also doesn't have to mean that all negotiation ceases just so Malloy can look like a tough guy.

      Malloy said Friday he would under no circumstances renegotiate with the unions, saying the state will send out layoff notices to affected workers immediately.

      To me, this whole charade is like watching the rank and file applaud while faithless Dems demand cuts in Social Security to improve the deficit -- when the truth is, conservatives could never get those cuts themselves without a Democratic beard to provide cover.

      Twenty years of Republican governors haven't done as much damage to labor in this state as Dan Malloy has in six months.

      •  Correction: 1.6, not 3.6 (0+ / 0-)

        $18,000 in givebacks per employee.

        •  stuck with a budget deficit that had to be closed (1+ / 0-)
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          Cuomo and Malloy negotiated, Christie, Walker and others demanded, and went after bargaining rights to boot. The comparison isn't even close.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:23:12 AM PDT

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          •  Raise. The. Damn. Taxes. (0+ / 0-)

            It won't kill anyone.  I promise.

            •  taxes were raised (0+ / 0-)

              On the whole, CT residents wanted to see them go up even more than they did on the wealthy. But please get the facts straight. Taxes were raised.

              Driving against traffic in an antitax era, Connecticut lawmakers appear poised to approve a two-year, $40.2 billion budget that includes $1.5 billion in increased taxes on income, corporations and an array of purchases and services, from yachts to yoga classes.

              http://www.nytimes.com/...

              Yell at him for stuff, but yell at him for the right stuff.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:36:37 AM PDT

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              •  Raise. The. Damn. Taxes. More. (0+ / 0-)
                •  could have done a bit better, but... (0+ / 0-)
                  His low approval rating is a reflection of how voters feel about his budget. Many voters are dissatisfied and some even say they are angry. They think the budget relies too much on tax increases and not enough on spending cuts. They also think the middle class is paying more than its fair share while those with higher incomes aren't paying their fair share."

                  http://www.quinnipiac.edu/...

                  voters are fine with raising taxes, so long as it is on someone else.

                  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                  by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 10:00:42 AM PDT

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                  •  so in other words . . . (2+ / 0-)
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                    what we have is:

                    Repugs:
                    1. cut state workers or else
                    2. no raise in taxes

                    Dems:
                    1. cut state workers or else
                    2. raise taxes, but only a little bit

                    Yeah, THAT's worth it.

                    (sigh)

                    •  what we have is (1+ / 0-)
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                      hester

                      Lenny Flank, with no practical political sense. ;-)

                      Same as always, Lenny. I love reading you on policy (truly), but when it comes to politics... well, you ain't always practical, my friend.

                      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 10:46:32 AM PDT

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                      •  practical, shmactical. (1+ / 0-)
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                        In the words of my political hero Abbie Hoffman---"Be realistic.  Demand the impossible."

                        :)

                      •  Answer me this. (0+ / 0-)

                        I'm not from CT (although I once lived there) and not a state worker.  So I hope I can be objective.  You don't mention what the non-union managers among the state workers are giving up.  Are they sharing the additional pain in any way?  I don't think the unionized state workers shoulder the entire burden.  Also, what about the health insurance?  Are the the state workers who are part of management subject to the same new restrictions that the union employees would experience under Molloy's plan? From what I hear, the proposed health plan changes were a big factor in this election.  The new proposed plan has a lot of people convinced that they will have to give up HIPPA privacy rights now.  What about this?  

                        •  fear of health plan changes (0+ / 0-)

                          more than health plan changes. there seems to be a tremndous amount of disinformation which has flummoxed union leaders.

                          http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/...

                          ctblogger has a pretty balanced post. this is the most thorough go-over:

                          http://www.newhavenindependent.org/...

                          So what happened?

                          “Just in speaking to different people,” James-Evans said, she found people left with unanswered questions from union brass. “I think the communication wasn’t there. The union did a terrible job communicating with their members. It was a big, big issue. They didn’t make the investment in communicating with folks.”

                          Indeed, misconceptions about the deal spread like wildfire among the rank and file, with tales of “Obamacare” “nanny state” provisions forcing workers to switch doctors, penalizing them for smoking or being fat, or denying emergency care, for instance. The plan required them to sign a form saying they’d undergo annual physicals (or face new deductible and higher premiums) and twice-annual free dental cleanings. It also required most workers at some point to have colonoscopies or mammograms absent compelling reasons not to, and to visit primary care centers rather than emergency rooms if the option exists.

                          AFSCME spokesman Larry Dorman blamed “outside influences” for spreading misinformation. “There have been hundreds of informational meetings, videos, and question-and-answer sessions” to explain the deal, he said in an interview.

                          Some DCF colleagues also didn’t want to forgo raises at a time when state taxes are also rising, James-Evans said.

                          Workers outside New Haven’s downtown state courthouses Friday preferred not to give their names, but were happy to explain why they voted no on the deal.

                          “I voted no basically because of the medical,” said one, a member of AFSME Local 749. He said he already pays $500 per month for health insurance for his family.  He said he didn’t have enough information about the proposed health care plan to trust that he wouldn’t lose benefits.

                          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                          by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 08:05:00 PM PDT

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                        •  more... (0+ / 0-)
                          Although the union voting is by secret ballot, there have been widespread reports that many of the "no'' voters were older state employees who wanted to preserve their lucrative benefits and knew they would not be laid off because they have seniority. Malloy conceded that some state workers clearly believed that they would not lose their jobs because of "bumping rights'' that protect the older workers with seniority.

                          "If you have more than 10 years in seniority, they might be pretty safe,'' Malloy said Friday.

                          I can't find anything about HIPPA, which I am extremely familiar with, and can't figure out what that has to do with anything.

                          http://www.courant.com/...

                          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 04:23:50 AM PDT

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          •  "Give back a billion a year or get fired" (1+ / 0-)
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            that doesn't sound like a demand to you?

            Apart from the fact that it was an order of magnitude more than Wisconsin workers were demanded to give back, deciding on a budget cut amount and announcing that it would be made up by state employees by givebacks or layoffs doesn't represent much of a difference from a "demand."

      •  This is hyperbole. (0+ / 0-)
        wenty years of Republican governors haven't done as much damage to labor in this state as Dan Malloy has in six months.

        Ask those laid off by Rowland about how much damage a Republican governor can do.

        "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

        by CT Voter on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:21:13 AM PDT

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      •  I quite agree. (1+ / 0-)
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        Missys Brother

        If a Repug Guv had done this very same thing, we'd be yelling for his head on a plate.

        Apparently it's OK to screw unions if you are a Democrat.

        It's just partisan patter.

    •  And you helped... (0+ / 0-)
      On a side note, the rich are already finding loopholes around the taxes.

      Not that they wouldn't have found them anyway, but let's not complain about "the rich finding loopholes" when we point them out, m-kay?

      "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." – Leonard Bernstein

      by frisco on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:30:02 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for pointing out cruel irony (0+ / 0-)

        not that I wasn't already aware of it.  

        It was a suggestion said in jest.  We were having a conversation about the fact that rich people are so fucking cheap in CT they wouldn't even give you the sweat off their balls if you were dying of dehydration.  I made some comment about how I bet if they ran a 'beat the tax' sale with info on the tax hike people would flock to save money even though it amounts to pennies to people with money.  

        I pretty much won the bet. But hey thanks for making me feel even more shitty for contributing to the anti tax/pro consumerist society we live in.

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 10:23:53 AM PDT

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