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  •  it's a puzzle (3+ / 0-)
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    Donald Williams, the president pro tem of the State Senate said he couldn't understand why the unions would vote down the deal.

    “The failure to ratify by state employees does more harm to them and the cause of labor than anything their enemies could possibly achieve," he said in a letter to colleagues announcing an emergency session to close the gap.

    Despite over 60 percent of state workers approving the deal, Connecticut's collective bargaining rules require 14 of 15 of the public sector unions. Two state unions, including its largest, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, opposed the deal, believing the Governor would offer them a better package if they rejected it.

    Malloy said Friday he would under no circumstances renegotiate with the unions, saying the state will send out layoff notices to affected workers immediately.

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    The results of the voting in Connecticut exasperated and infuriated even longtime allies of state workers.

    “The failure to ratify by state employees does more harm to them and the cause of labor than anything their enemies could possibly achieve,” Donald E. Williams Jr., a Democrat who is president pro tem of the State Senate, wrote colleagues in a message announcing the special session. “It’s unbelievable that they don’t understand that.”

    But the rejection reflected a complicated whirl of factors, not least of them the approval process itself, in which about 60 percent of workers voted in favor of the agreement only to have it fail.

    Under longstanding collective bargaining rules, the agreement needed to be approved by 14 of the 15 unions in the State Employees Bargaining Agent Coalition, with the bargaining units voting in favor representing 80 percent of the 45,000 state workers covered by the deal.

    What doomed the package was its rejection by two unions — including, notably, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Council 4, which covers about one-third of all unionized state employees.

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    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:00:58 AM PDT

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    •  perhaps they remember what happened when the (0+ / 0-)

      auto and steel unions "negotiated" lots of givebacks, and what it got them.

      Apparently we're all in favor of the right to form unions, as long as they don't actually act like unions.

      •  As a union member here in CT, (2+ / 0-)
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        the majority has voted one way, but the minority is holding veto power, essentially.  Does this mean the majority isn't acting like a union?

        "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

        by CT Voter on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:12:31 AM PDT

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        •  yes, that is exactly what it means. (0+ / 0-)

          It means that just like the USWA and UAW in the 80's, the "union" is willing to sell itself to the boss just for a short-term paycheck, even if it means their eventual death.

          Shortsighted.

          Look where it got the Steel Workers union.  Nowhere.

          The purpose of a union isn't to "negotiate" givebacks. That's what we have managements for.

          Sad to see them both on the same side.

          Sadder still to see "unions" cheering it on.

          And even sadder to see "progressives" cheering the act of balancing the budget on the backs of the state workers when a Dem does it, while bitching and moaning and crying about it when a Repug does it. Just partisan patter. When it comes to economics, both parties are one.

          •  Yeah, how dare someone who will be affected (3+ / 0-)
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            by the outcome have the nerve to vote differently than a "true" union supporter would?

            "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

            by CT Voter on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:25:06 AM PDT

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            •  oh, I'm never surprised when "union" workers (0+ / 0-)

              sell their balls to management.  Just like the UAW and Steel Workers did.

              Look where it got them.

              •  But you're making false claims. (2+ / 0-)
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                For instance, about wage cuts.  There aren't any, in this agreement.  So be surprised, don't be surprised, whatever--you're not well-informed of the details.

                "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

                by CT Voter on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:33:54 AM PDT

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              •  "Selling their balls" (1+ / 0-)
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                I think it's simpler than that -- many in the leadership have simply invested themselves in Malloy's success.

                I would have thought that when Malloy blamed his near-loss on his support for labor that the bloom would have been off the rose, but their loyalty to him is impressive.

                •  that's a problem the labor movement has always had (0+ / 0-)

                  We give our votes to the Dems, we give our money to the Dems, we do GOTV and organizing for the Dems---and when Dems get elected, all we get is shit on.

                  And we have no choice but to sit there, grin, and say "thank you sir, may I have another?"  After all, what choice do we have---work for the Repugs instead?

                  •  It's a real problem (1+ / 0-)
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                    And as a liberal CT Democrat, I've been at a loss recently on how to address the situation we're in now.

                    Some people like Jon Pelto -- who believed in what Malloy talked about during the campaign and supported him energetically -- are now driven by righteous anger and betrayal.

                    I feel like this is the Malloy I've known all along, and it's churlish to keep harping on "I told you so" so for the most part I keep quiet. But I'm moved to respond to posts like this -- when progressive advocates pin a big gold star on what is essentially union busting.

          •  actually when it comes to numbers (1+ / 0-)
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            the choices are similar.

            Dems tend to include tax increases and bargaining rights and Rs reject both. That's a huge difference.

            Saying they're the same because both have to balance a budget (and they do have to) is pretty shallow analysis.

            You got a better plan, btw, we are all ears.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:29:51 AM PDT

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            •  as a wise man once said . . . . (0+ / 0-)

              a difference is a difference only when it makes a difference.

              When one loudly proclaims the right to unionize--but then treats unions just like GM and US Steel management does, then there's no difference.

              What good is it to defend the existence of a union that can't act like a union?

              •  Excuse me? (1+ / 0-)
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                Seems that requiring a vote by union members (who approved by a 60% margin) is indeed respecting their rights.

                You are the one who seems to disrespect them.  
                If the members make what you consider to be the wrong choice, you say they have no guts.  In your view, it seems, union members should not be allowed to make choices based on the realities of the day.

                In short, you would replace a vote by those poor dumb clods with a decision by the great and powerful Lenny.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:54:08 AM PDT

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    •  Tomorrow's meeting will be interesting. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not 100% certain on this, but I think it's misleading when the rules are described as "approved by 14 of the 15 unions"...The rule is that there can be no more than one negative vote.

      And if abstentions are possible (and there was one for the 2009 concession agreement)...

      "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

      by CT Voter on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 09:10:47 AM PDT

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