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  •  Spending more money is the answer?? (1+ / 0-)
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    Utahrd

    There are so many generalities in this diary it is hard to know where to start.  I will take the last three "points"

    "The political and corporate elite benefit from a constant state of education crisis because that perception allows them to point at the schools and distract us from their own failure to address the conditions of inequity that insure their privilege."

    So you are saying that the political and corporate elite want schools to fail.  Who are these elite political and corporate people?  How would you address this alleged inequity?  Do you really believe that money is the answer?  Major U.S. cities have over a 50% drop rate for high schools.  Why would spending more money fix this?

    "People living in poverty and trapped in a cycle of social inequity—specifically children—are not the agents of that inequity. The powerful determine the conditions of our society, and our schools reflect and maintain those conditions."

    This is pretty much the same thing you said in the first "point".

    "A persistent achievement gap is an accurate indictment of our schools as mechanisms of perpetuating inequity and privilege, but it is a greater indictment of the power of the cultural elite to maintain their privilege while claiming to seek equity."

    A little different wording but basically the same "point" as the first two.  

     What you are really saying is that poor children will never be able to use education as a means to get out of the cycle they are in.  You are also saying we should re-distribute the wealth in this country and it will fix this problem.  And finally the root cause of the problem is the cultural elite; that is a ridiculous "argument".

    From a recent report.

    "A variety of recent studies in Texas show comparable
    differences in achievement among students taught by
    teachers of differing quality. Borrowing from some of
    Sanders's techniques, researchers in the Dallas Independent School District recently completed their first study ever of teacher effects on the ability of students to perform on assessments. In sharing their findings, Robert Mendro, the district's executive director of institutional research, said, "What surprised us the most was the size of the effect."3 For example, as shown in Figure 3, the average reading scores of a group of Dallas fourth graders who were assigned to highly
    effective teachers three years in a row rose from the 59th percentile in fourth grade to the 76th percentile by the conclusion of sixth grade. A fairly similar (but slightly
    higher-achieving) group of students was assigned three
    consecutive ineffective teachers and fell from the 60th
    percentile in fourth grade to the 42nd percentile by the end of sixth grade. A gap of this magnitude—34 percentile points— for students who started off roughly the same is hugely significant."

    http://www.pearsonassessments.com/....

    •  Then let's bust those teachers unions (1+ / 0-)
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      Bronx59

      Because we're all "pragmatists" now.  And so tell me "pragmatists":  the Democrats will win elections...how?  Without teachers unions?  A Democrat winning anything anywhere?  It is to laugh.  Not dogcatcher in Podunk.  And you folks relentlessly pushing the anti-teachers union agenda are entirely aware of this fact.    It isn't much of a stretch to conclude that's WHY you push this agenda.  (In fact, a review of your comments presents an across the board right-winger of virtually Bachmannian level.) We all live in Fitzwalkerstan now, and dailykos is one of its county seats apparently.

      "Tu vida es ahora" ~graffiti in Madrid's Puerta del Sol, May, 2011.

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 03:19:08 PM PDT

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    •  I don't trust it. It's texas. (0+ / 0-)

      Lotta malarkeywent on there to show scores were up. Not saying it isn't legit, but anything Texas sends up a red flag to me.

    •  We spend like Alabama, we test like Maine (1+ / 0-)
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      Linda Wood

      Utah's spending is way below average.  We get to build schools on land that says "Free to good home."

      But our test scores aren't have bad.

      Kids in Utah, 60% of them anyway, have good study skills drilled into their head young so they can read Chloroform In Print, AKA, the Book Of Mormon.

    •  You are correct (0+ / 0-)
      poor children will never be able to use education as a means to get out of the cycle they are in.  You are also saying we should re-distribute the wealth in this country and it will fix this problem.

      Poor children bye and large with few exceptions have not gotten out of their economic difficulties thru the school system.  perhaps 10%, 5% do.  the rest repeat their parents, or rather their caretaker single parent or grandparent's experience.

      What is ominous is the drying up of millions of solid well paying working class/middle class jobs.  Kids will find their working prospects worse than their parents did.

      From 2001 to 2008, there were about 1.2 million jobs added to the US labor charts.   In total over 8 years. That  was less than 150,000 per year.  At the same time, there was the typical growth of several millions in population.  Where did the new entrants to the work force find jobs?  That is a two term record of slowdown in the labor force needs, a growth in the unemployed as well.

      The trend in the past thirty years is that 2/3rd of those holding STEM degrees (Science Technology Engineering Math) are NOT working in their field of expertise. That is, 2/3 of Americas trained people in advanced and challenging fields are doing something else because there is no career possibilities for them.

          Now  a % would naturally go outside, or get interested in another area, but 67%?   That is a failure of America's political and economic elites.  Their flogging the school system is just hiding the mess and pretending something else is to blame besides their non leadership.

      cast away illusions, prepare for struggle

      by Pete Rock on Sun Jun 26, 2011 at 10:51:48 PM PDT

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